[xliff] Fw: [xliff-comment] XLIFF and resizing information



 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Mark 
Levins/Ireland/IBM 

To: Tony Jewtushenko 

Cc: Matthew.Lovatt 

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 4:45 PM

Subject: Fw: [xliff-comment] XLIFF and resizing 
information

Hi Tony, 

I think we should address Nikolai's mail below and add it 
to the agenda for the next meeting. I also think his issues fit in with what 
Matt wants with 'reformatting'. 

My 
own initial ideas around this are around adding the following elements, 
<font>, <coord>, <css-style>, <style> and 
<exstyle> as optional children of <source> and <target>. 
Adding these elements would address all of the other data that may be changed 
during the course of translating/localizing an XLIFF document and would also 
address the current inadequacy of XLIFF for non-textual translation as outlined 
in Nikolai's mail below. 

In each of 
these new elements, when a child of a <source>, the 'reformat' attribute 
could be used to determine whether or not the information may be changed as part 
of the translation process. 
We could 
also further define <coord> with child elements <x>, <y>, 
<width> and <height> or <x1>, <y1>, <x2> and 
<y2> for greater flexibility and let each of these also have the ability 
to specify formatability through the 'reformat' attribute. 

I don't currently have time to formally draft any of this 
into schema or a concrete example but maybe it could form the basis for further 
discussion. Please let me know what you think. 

Regards,

Mark Levins
IBM Software Group | 
Dublin Software Laboratory | Airways Industrial Estate | Cloghran | Dublin 17 | 
Ireland
Phone: +353 1 7046676 | IBM Tie Line 166676 

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Hi All, 

  

I’m trying to understand how XLIFF should handle resizing 
information. 

Let’s take for instance Windows 
resource dialog with NO caption and two controls, label and edit box.  

  

IDD_DIALOG1 
DIALOG DISCARDABLE  0, 0, 96, 28 

STYLE WS_POPUP 
| WS_CAPTION | WS_THICKFRAME 

FONT 8, "MS Sans 
Serif" 

BEGIN 

    EDITTEXT        
IDC_EDIT1,35,7,53,14,ES_AUTOHSCROLL 

    
LTEXT           
"Label:",IDC_STATIC,13,9,23,8 

END 

  

All of them should be 
resized and only label should be translated. 

  

With label I have no question: 
<trans-unit>contains text to translate in <source> element, 
coordinates in coord attribute. 

Localized text 
locates in <target> element and Localized coordinates in <target>‘s 
coord attribute. 

  

Edit box has no text to translate. What should I do? Create 
<source> and <target> elements with no text? 

  

Dialog is grouping element and also 
has no text to translate. So logically dialog's coordinates go to 
<group>’s coord attribute, 

but where locale 
version of dialog coordinates should be located? According to specification 
<group> should not have <target> node. 

If I have to create additional translation unit to hold locale version of 
group's coordinates, that looks very inelegant. 

  

In general, in my opinion 
<group> and <trans-unit> have a lot in common, 

may be better to combine them together in one element and add some 
attribute like ‘container=true’? 

  

Please let me know, especially in you have information 
about some RC <-> XLIFF converter. 

  

Thanks, 

Nikolai.