On the issue of file name changes: This issue is prevalent to
a high degree in Java with ISO 639/3166 tags appended to properties,
ListResourceBundles and typically to graphics, albeit through custom code.
It's unlikely that the Java community would move from that format. Any
argument over "same file names in language folders" vs. "same file names with
language tags" is "heated" and probably not worth labouring over.
I think I would prefer to see the "Tool" generate customised file name
transformations based on specific file format profiles (i.e., Java or GIF for
Java) rather than further muddying an already complex XLIFF document. For
example, a "Tool" could conceivably read the content of the <file> block,
assess the source language and then using the <target xml:lang="xx">
construct and build a map of the output file requirements. This would work
for graphics.
Just my 1 Euro's worth...
Cheers
Steve.
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Yves Savourel 10/02/2003 18:11:52 >>>
Hi
Doug, John and all,
> * Should the
element for the
'alt' attribute be
> WITHIN the element or not?
I would
say yes if you extract and process the GIF file, its place is in a
and therefore the text associated would go with it, like you show
in your example.
In other case, where the image is not processed by
the filter, I would use
two
elements: one for the ALT text, and
one for the segment
where the image is. The image would be just a code. For
example:
Click to start.
would
give something like:
Start
Click
≶img src="javascript:void(0);" alt="@10"/>
to
start.
And the filter would have its
own mechanism to put back the ALT text at the
right place.
An
alternative is to use the element with only one
:
Click
≶img src="javascript:void(0);"
alt="Start!"/>
to start.
But I don't like it because it mixes two different
segments in the same
, and thus makes one change in either
affects both (bad for
leveraging).
> * The URL in the src
attribute can be changed, but does make
> use of the
element. However, the 'restype'
> attribute has "file" as
a possible value, so I'm unsure which
> to use.
I have to admit I
haven't thought too much about filename changes. My
(convenient) answer
would be that changing filenames is bad
internationalization and that one
should have a language-relative folder for
images that can be changed (thus
making the same in the file), but obviously
that's avoiding the real
question. If I had to store a filename to be
changed in XLIFF I would
probably use a
with restype set to
'file'.
I completely
agree that all those different things need to be put in clear
examples, same
for resource-type files, etc.
I would even add some current problems in
a different format:
In Windows RC files many resources have
CHARACTERISTIC and VERSION
statements that I'm not sure how to store in an
XLIFF document. Same goes
for load and memory options. Also the MENUEX
resources has some properties
that don't seem to have corresponding
attributes. And lastly, the FONT
statement in a DIALOGEX resource has 5
entries not 3 like our current 'font'
attribute allow. There is two
additional values for italic and chraset
information. Should we do something
about it?
> * Yves, what does 'kenavo' mean?
"Kenavo" is
a Breton word equivalent (more or less) to "bye", "cheers".
Other variations
equivalent to "see you soon/talk to you later" would be
"kenavo ar wech'al"
or "ken ar c'hentan". Breton is one of the Celtic
languages, with Irish,
Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Manx and Galician. After
500+ years of forced-fed
French culture (Brittany was attached to France in
1491, as part of the
dowry of Anne de Bretagne when she married Charles VII)
not many people
speak it fluently, but it remains alive.
I don't speak Breton, and know
only a few words and expressions, but living
transplanted in deep frozen,
arid, and land-locked Colorado I sometimes
yearn for the drizzle weeping
from the low grey skies above the moor and the
woods, the scent of golden
furze along the hedges of blackberry brambles,
the salty taste of the wind,
and the cry of the seagulls, ...and I feel an
irrepressible urge to put a
small trace of my native roots in my day :-)
...kenavo!,
-yves
