RE: [xliff] RE: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent sourcefiles (e.g., PhotoShop)

Hi there,

 

I would need some
additional information in order to comment: What is the “nature/purpose”
of the “dependant files”? I see at least the following possibilities:

 

1.       The files are needed to produce an overall “product”
(example: the JPG is needed to produce a Web page), but do not need to undergo
any kind of localization or translation.

2.       The files are needed to produce an overall “product”
(example: the JPG is needed to produce a Web page), and need to undergo some
kind of localization or translation (example: the JPG needs to be adapted wrt. certain
graphical elements).

3.       The files serve reference or preview purposes
(example: the PDF is included to show translators how the rendered version of
the source language marketing material looks like).

4.       The files are related to processing chains
(example: you reference the Framemaker file for traceability reason – eg.
to ensure that you don’t miss updates).

 

From my
understanding, you can only choose the correct XLIFF representation if this
kind of questions is answered. Only then, you can for example tell whether
something goes into the “reference” element or a “translate=’no’”
has to be used.

 

Best regards,

Christian

 

From: Rodolfo M. Raya
[mailto:] 

Sent: Donnerstag, 12. August 2010 00:32

To: 'Doug Domeny'; ; 'Yves Savourel'

Cc: 

Subject: [xliff] RE: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent source
files (e.g., PhotoShop)

 

Hi Doug,

 

If you put both, PSD
and JPG, files in the XLIFF document, then you are duplicating the translatable
units in different formats. You should include only one of them.

 

Regarding units
linking, there is no way that I know.

 

Best regards,

Rodolfo

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Rodolfo M. Raya   <>

Maxprograms     
http://www.maxprograms.com

 

From: Doug Domeny [mailto:] 

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:49 PM

To: Rodolfo M. Raya; ; Yves Savourel

Cc: 

Subject: RE: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent source files (e.g.,
PhotoShop)

 

Rodolfo,

 

Yes, I agree, however
the problem is a bit more complex than I had originally explained. Here’s
a better explanation.

 

The image is
referenced in HTML:

 

<img
src="”assets/filename.jpg”" />

 

The XLIFF for the
JPEG would be:

 

<bin-unit
id=”id” mime-type=”image/jpeg”>

<bin-source>

<external-file
href="”filename.jpg”/>

</bin-source>

</bin-unit>

 

The XLIFF for the
Photoshop would be:

 

<bin-unit
id=”id” mime-type=”image/vnd.adobe.photoshop”>

<bin-source>

<external-file
href="”photoshopfilename.psd”/>

</bin-source>

</bin-unit>

 

How, in XLIFF, should
the .psd be linked to the .jpg so the translator knows how to name the jpg
file? Or to create a JPEG, PNG or other web-friendly image file at all?

 

Currently, the
implementation would have the JPEG and PSD bin-units in two different XLIFF
files, but I might be able to combine them if necessary.

 

Thanks for the quick
reply (and apologies or the slow response back).

 

Doug

 

From: Rodolfo
M. Raya [mailto:] 

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:11 PM

To: Doug Domeny; ; 'Yves Savourel'

Subject: RE: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent source files (e.g.,
PhotoShop)

 

Hi Doug,

 

In case 1, the source document is the PhotoShop file, not
the JPG picture. Let the user translate the text from the PhotoShop file and
then generate a new JPG. 

 

In case 2, the source document would be the Framemaker
book. Once it is translated, you can generate a new PDF from it.

 

I would not use <bin-unit> for translating a
Framemaker file. You can save it as MIF and use <trans-unit> elements
instead to hold translatable text.

 

Hope this helps,

Rodolfo 

--

Rodolfo M.
Raya   <>

Maxprograms     
http://www.maxprograms.com

 

From: Doug Domeny [mailto:] 

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:35 PM

To: ; Rodolfo M. Raya; Yves Savourel

Subject: FW: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent source files (e.g.,
PhotoShop)

 

Sent this to the official list, but believe it was not
forwarded to the team, so I’m sending it directly to a few of you. If you
did get the automated email, please excuse this duplicate.

 

From: Doug Domeny 

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:21 AM

To: 

Subject: Binary files (e.g., jpg) with dependent source files (e.g.,
PhotoShop)

 

XLIFF Team,

 

What is best
practice for handling dependent files in XLIFF?

 

Case 1:

 

Web content
includes an image in JPEG format. The JPEG file (.jpg) was originally created
from a PhotoShop file (.psd).

 

In XLIFF, the
JPEG file is marked as:

 

<bin-unit
id=”id” mime-type=”image/jpeg”>

<bin-source>

<external-file
href="”filename.jpg”/>

</bin-source>

</bin-unit>

 

 

How should the
PhotoShop file be associated with the JPEG?

 

 

Case 2:

 

An Adobe Acrobat
file (.pdf) originally created from a FrameMaker book.

 

In XLIFF, the
PDF file is marked as:

 

<bin-unit
id=”id” mime-type=”application/pdf”>

<bin-source>

<external-file
href="”filename.pdf”/>

</bin-source>

</bin-unit>

 

 

How should set
of FrameMaker files be associated with the PDF?

 

 

I’ve
thought of making the bin-source the original file(s), but would like the
translator to create the derived file.

 

 

Regards,

Doug Domeny