Exactly same here, I was able to vote but did not get any kavi notification apart from Bryan's e-mail..
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On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 19:14, Rodolfo M. Raya <> wrote:
Hi All,
Kavi didn't send me a notification. I saw Bryans's email and voted. Being
able to vote, I assume I'm eligible and Kavi failed.
Regards,
Rodolfo
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schnabel, Bryan S [mailto:]
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:47 PM
> To: Robin Cover
> Cc: ; Chet Ensign
> Subject: RE: [xliff] Ballot is open to voting members
>
> Hi Robin,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to clearly explain this situation. It seems all
is in
> order and accounted for. I just have one small remaining curiosity. You
> mention in your note that eligible voters *are* notified, and that other
TC
> members are not:
>
> > Kavi (as configured) does not notify the TC
> > when a TC ballot has been opened. ONLY the eligible
> > voting members are notified -- or rather, the persons
> > identified as "eligible" in the ballot.
>
> My motivation for sending a separate note to the list to announce the
ballot
> was that I did not see any evidence that even the eligible members were
> notified. It seemed to me that after I initiated the ballot - nobody
(including
> the eligible members) received notification.
>
> So here's a question to the voting TC members: did any/all of you get a
> notification that the ballot had begun (besides my side note)?
>
> If the answer is no, that means kavi may have a more serious bug than you
> described, Robin. If the answer is yes, perhaps that means that only the
> ballot initiator does not get a notification (which is a bit clunky, but
not the
> end of the world).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bryan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin Cover [mailto:]
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: Schnabel, Bryan S
> Cc: ; Robin Cover; Chet Ensign
> Subject: Re: [xliff] Ballot is open to voting members
>
> Bryan, I just noticed your bewilderment [1] about Kavi not
> sending the TC a notification message that your TC Ballot
> had been opened, and your self-doubt about possible
> incorrect gestures in ballot setup, needing Kavi training, etc:
>
> > I don't think I'm doing anything incorrectly - but maybe
> > I need to go back to kavi training - sure seeing a lot of
> > unexpected results
>
> Not your fault! I made cursory inspection of the ballot you
> set up (from the Kavi point of view) and scan of the
> related email messages to the TC [3].
>
> It appears to me that you set up the ballot exactly right,
> and that you did nothing incorrectly. I have copied out
> the ballot details below [2] for XLIFF TC members to
> inspect, including the list of persons reckoned as
> eligible to vote.
>
> From inspection of the TC list messages (initial motion,
> motion revised to clarify that a TC Liaison with the XLIFF
> TC is desired, preliminary nomination of someone to
> serve as the liaison for the TC) it appears that the process
> for creating the TC Liaison you want is now underway
> via the TC Ballot:
>
> http://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/liaison#tcliaison
>
> As to Kavi: Bryan, you are not the first person to be surprised
> by the fact that Kavi (as configured) does not notify the TC
> when a TC ballot has been opened. ONLY the eligible
> voting members are notified -- or rather, the persons
> identified as "eligible" in the ballot.
>
> IMO, that constitutes a significant flaw in the Kavi
> balloting system (as configured). I can think of
> many reasons why all TC members should receive
> an automatic notice from the system (e.g., sent to
> the TC Members/Observers via the TC list) when a
> ballot is opened.
>
> For one thing: the ballot may have been set up incorrectly
> e.g., failing to reckon as "eligible" some person or
> persons who personally believe they ARE eligible to
> vote in the ballot.
>
> If no notification is sent to the entire list, then someone
> omitted in error (or allegedly in error) does not have
> predictable opportunity to even know that a ballot is
> underway, and to notice the omission.
>
> A workaround sometimes used by TC Admin may provide
> a model for you as Chair in the XLIFF TC. When we set
> up a Special Majority ballot for the TC e.g., for Committee
> Specification approval, we:
>
> a) create the ballot in Kavi
> b) wait for notice to be sent back to the ballot creator
> via email message
> c) forward that email message (or send equivalent email
> message annotated) to the TC list -- where the message
> contains the text of the ballot and identifies the eligible
> voting members for that ballot, as reckoned
> d) explicitly invite all TC members to review the ballot text
> for correctness of the motion and for the list of
> eligible voters, asking for corrections that might need
> to be made, if any
>
> I'll try to raise the (Kavi) notification issue with other OASIS
> Staff to see if improvements ( at least as ballot set options)
> can be made in the new/upcoming "Kavi 5" rollout.
>
> Robin Cover
> OASIS
>
> [1] Bryan's note about ballot notification ==============
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00036.html
>
> Subject: Ballot is open to voting members
> From: "Schnabel, Bryan S" <>
> To: "" <>
> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 09:36:42 -0700
>
> Hello TC,
>
> It seems kavi did not send a notice out yesterday that I had
> initiated a ballot on Helena's behalf (seconded by Peter).
>
> Thus, please consider this the request that eligible voting
> member go to
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballots.php
> and cast your vote on the open ballot.
>
> (I don't think I'm doing anything incorrectly - but maybe I
> need to go back to kavi training - sure seeing a lot of
> unexpected results)
>
> - Bryan
>
> [2] Ballot details =============================
>
> XLIFF Ballot
>
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=2027
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/ballot.php?id=2027
>
> Ballot Details
> Should the XLIFF TC provide a Unicode representative?
>
> The XLIFF TC shall elect a representative from OASIS XLIFF
> TC to Unicode for the formal liaison membership between
> Unicode Consortium and the OASIS XLIFF TC.
>
> "Yes" means wish the TC to hold an election / "No" means
> wish the TC to not hold an election.
> [ ] Yes
> [ ] No
> [ ] Abstain
>
> Opening: Friday, 6 May 2011 @ 17:30 ET
> Closing: Thursday, 12 May 2011 @ 17:30 ET
>
> Eligible Voting Members listed
> Voting Details
>
> Yves Savourel ENLASO Corporation
> David Walters IBM
> Helena Chapman IBM
> Bryan Schnabel* Individual
> Lucia Morado Vazquez Localisation Research Centre*
> David Filip Localisation Research Centre*
> Rodolfo Raya Maxprograms
> Peter Reynolds Polish Association of Translation Agencies...
> Christian Lieske SAP AG*
> Andrew Swift SDL International*
>
>
> [3] earlier postings on topic =============================
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00030.html
>
> Subject: Motion to conduct an electronic ballot
> From: "Schnabel, Bryan S" <>
> To: "" <>
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:57:41 -0700
>
> Hello TC voting members,
>
> Helena has proposed a ballot that we "Elect a representative
> from OASIS XLIFF TC to Unicode for the formal liaison
> membership between Unicode Consortium and OASIS." Further
> details are contained in the attached thread.
>
> Per the OASIS policy
> (http://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#voting ),
> I invite any eligible voting member to second Helena's motion.
>
> Normally the motion to hold an electronic ballot must be made
> in a TC meeting. But I will use the clause that our TC " has
> adopted a standing rule to allow this motion to be made on the
> TC's general email list."
>
> As soon as I receive a second, I will set up the ballot in kavi
> (in accordance with our TC's standing custom). Per the OASIS
> policy, the ballot period will be seven days (this is the
> minimum duration). At the conclusion a simple majority will
> either pass or not pass the proposal.
>
> Followups: --------------
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00032.html
> Subject: RE: [xliff] Motion to conduct an electronic ballot
> From: "Peter Reynolds" <>
> To: "Schnabel, Bryan S"
> <>,<>
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 22:15:40 +0200
>
> Hi Bryan,
>
> I am happy to second this but I think that we make sure
> this is a formal liaison between Unicode Consortium
> and OASIS XLIFF TC and not just with OASIS. It the
> liaison was just with OASIS we should consult Jamie Clark.
>
> I would also like to nominate David Filip as the liaison
> if this motion is passed.
>
> Thannks and I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend,
>
> Peter.
>
> ------------------------
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00033.html
>
> Subject: RE: [xliff] Motion to conduct an electronic ballot
> From: "Schnabel, Bryan S" <>
> To: Peter Reynolds <>, Helena S
> Chapman<>
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:40:25 -0700
>
> Hi Helena,
>
> Peter seconds, but would like to add the specific reference
> to XLIFF. Is this wording acceptable to you:
>
> "Elect a representative from OASIS XLIFF TC to Unicode for
> the formal liaison membership between Unicode Consortium
> and the OASIS XLIFF TC."
>
> If so I will initiate that ballot.
>
> Thanks,
> Bryan
>
> ------------------------
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/201105/msg00034.html
>
> Subject: RE: [xliff] Motion to conduct an electronic ballot
>
> From: Helena S Chapman <>
> To: "Schnabel, Bryan S" <>
> Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:12:12 -0400
>
> Sounds good to me or "okie, dokie".
>
> ------------------------
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Schnabel, Bryan S
> <> wrote:
> > Hello TC,
> >
> > It seems kavi did not send a notice out yesterday that I had initiated a
ballot
> on Helena's behalf (seconded by Peter).
> >
> > Thus, please consider this the request that eligible voting member go to
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballots.php and cast
> your vote on the open ballot.
> >
> > (I don't think I'm doing anything incorrectly - but maybe I need to go
back
> to kavi training - sure seeing a lot of unexpected results)
> >
> > - Bryan
> >
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