Seconded!
In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's
greatest technical legacy to the world.
Thanks,
Simon
On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
> Thanks Rick for
> a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well,
> horrendously complex until then.
> b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO.
>
> It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice
> tool to use when needed.
> IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed to die.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dave P
>
>
>
> On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <> wrote:
>> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely based on
>> Schematron circa 2003.
>>
>> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public
>> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html
>>
>> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio
>> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail list
>> etc.
>> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html
>> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version.
>>
>> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments.
>> http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.html
>>
>> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was accepted with
>> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue relating to
>> predicate logic.
>>
>> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in
>> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the parts that
>> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who would
>> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my
>> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed, so I
>> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a black
>> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I needed to
>> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for the
>> first decade of Schematron from 1999 on Schematron, especially trying to
>> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might patent,
>> more work than I could do in the second decade. (I have worked on using
>> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is still
>> in my life.)]]
>>
>> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to gitlab.
>>
>> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has
>> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often
>> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its own
>> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1- optional —
>> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online.
>>
>> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for taking
>> over and seeing it through when I could not. And a bigger apology that I
>> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed.
>>
>> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the two
>> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Rick
>>
>> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <> wrote:
>>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was published
>>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049
>>>
>>> - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is
>>> for the first edition [1]?
>>>
>>> Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you
>>> shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2].
>>>
>>> - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available?
>>>
>>> I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and
>>> attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's
>>> all that I know.
>>>
>>> - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with
>>> second-edition Schematron?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Graham.
>>> --
>>> Senior Architect
>>> XML Division
>>> Antenna House, Inc.
>>> ----
>>> Skerries, Ireland
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
>>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663
>>>
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