RE: [bdx] New version of BDEA uploaded

From
"Oim van der Fijk"
Date
2011-03-30T11:17:33+00:00
ID
A354E6C99F43437AA751FCDD18910E74@Roussanne
Thread
RE: [bdx] New version of BDEA uploaded
There are some listings on the Web for the three 
catalogs:

 

ISO 6523 (somewhat old copy), http://metadata-stds.org/Document-library/Draft-standards/6523-Identification-of-Organizations/ICD_list.htm#ICD0009 

 

ISO 9735 http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/d95b/uncl/unsl.htm. 

 

ISO 20022 has the OrganisationId element in the ISO 20022 
registry (their URLs keep changing and the search engine on their site 
doesn't work today ..) which references some ISO schemes like BIC, and a 
separate set of approved data source schemes, which can be downloaded from 
http://www.iso20022.org/External_Code_Lists_and_DSS.page

 

These three catalogs contain a large number of schemes that 
collectively cover millions of business internationally.

 

A good background document is CWA 16036, ftp://cenftp1.cenorm.be/PUBLIC/CWAs/Cyber_Identity/CWA_CyberIdentity.pdf.

 

The authors of that document have a very nice demonstrator, 
that allows you to generate ebCore IDs for some schemes:

 

http://www.cyber-identity.com/demonstrator

 

Pim 

 

From: Markus Gudmundsson 
[mailto:] 
Sent: 30 March 2011 12:42
To: 
Pim van der Eijk; 'Mikkel Hippe Brun'; 'Business Document Exchange TC 
List'
Subject: RE: [bdx] New version of BDEA 
uploaded

Unfortunately 
I cannot attend the full meeting today, but hopefully part of 
it.

 

Regarding 
point 4) is the list of the mapping of these identifiers available somewhere? Is 
it only contained in the ISO documents?

 

Markús

 

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From: Pim van 
der Eijk [mailto:] 
Sent: 30. mars 2011 
10:24
To: 'Mikkel Hippe Brun'; 'Business Document Exchange TC 
List'
Subject: RE: [bdx] New version of BDEA 
uploaded

 

 

I have 
not studied this document fully, but here are some 
comments:

 

1) I 
would recommend starting to use the OASIS specification templates as soon as 
possible, to save yourselves a lot of editing time later 
..

 

2) In an 
architecture of 4 corner document exchange, I would have expected to see an 
explanation or justification of a 4 corner model of communication, and the 
requirements it addresses.  Instead, the introduction starts with a 
sweeping statement: "It is widely recognized that the 4-corner model is the 
right model for secure and reliable exchange of business documents between 
business partners".  I'm not saying I diagree.  But given that there 
has been a massive shift away from service provider-based models to peer-to-peer 
communication and the success of protocols like AS2, this statement 
deserves more justification. 

 

3) The 
document proposes that all Access Points must support a default transport 
protocol and proposes a specific transport protocol.   We discussed 
this in the past,  and then it was agreed that we would leave 
such decisions to conformance clauses/profiles.  Multiple conformance 
profiles could make different choices. 

 

Any proposed 
default for transport protocol would need to be justified, e.g. established 
market share among service providers would perhaps favour adopting AS2 as 
default protocol since it is the most widely used B2B transport protocol in many 
parts of the world.

 

4) The 
document also proposes a participant identifier scheme that combines scheme 
identifier and identifier code.  I'm not sure why the specifics of 
identifier schemes needs to be discussed in an architecture document. There are 
some ISO standard scheme catalogs, such as 6523, 20022, 9735.  There 
is also an established OASIS party identifier which has been used for some 
years and is seeing increased adoption:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/ebcore/PartyIdType/v1.0/

 

I'm not 
sure why a new method of concatenating catalog identifier, scheme identifier and 
scheme-specific identifier is needed.

 

Pim

 

 

 

From: Mikkel 
Hippe Brun [mailto:] 
Sent: 30 March 2011 
10:56
To: Business Document Exchange TC List
Subject: [bdx] 
New version of BDEA uploaded

If you have time before the BDX meeting later today. Take a 
look at the following sections: 

  
Overview 
  
A model for re-using existing identifier schemes 
  
Trust and security

Download Document:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/41668/Business_Document_Exchange_Architecture_BEDA_v0p3.pdf

Best 
regards,
Mikkel

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