If the RWE is I get an answer to a question I've asked, do I care if it is a "data-centric service" or a "data service" or pure magic?
Too often, we assume bins where the bins have limited short term value and long term confusion and misuse.
Ken
On Aug 24, 2006, at 12:34 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
I agree Duane. I think it comes down to whether or not data is the central focus of what the service does. The type of data service mentioned below would encompass data management services as well as data access services (i.e. providing access to one or more data sources, and possibly integrating the data via federated queries). So perhaps a better name would be "data-centric services", or "data services" as the umbrella category with subcategories of "data management services" and "data access services".
Joe
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From: Duane Nickull [mailto:]
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Is there any service that does not use data?
D
On 8/24/06 6:29 AM, "Chiusano Joseph" <> wrote:
Not types of service providers; service providers that provide certain types of services (e.g. data service provider = service provider of data services).
Joe
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From: Ken Laskey [mailto:]
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Joe,
But I'm not sure "types" of service providers is relevant. I look at a service description, decide if the real world effects are what I want (and whether the rest of the execution context stuff can be aligned), and then I proceed with the interaction. If I ask for information, I don't know (unless I have a business reason for this to be part of my rationale for which service to use) if it is "data" from a database, results from a simulation, or Mechanical Turk.
Ken
On Aug 24, 2006, at 6:33 AM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
I think it's a question of service providers, but more specifically of what *types* of services. So there can be data service providers, perhaps process service providers (e.g. BPEL-based processes), and perhaps even application service providers in a different sense than the traditional ASP (perhaps service-based applications).
Joe
From: Ken Laskey [mailto:]
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Michael,
My question is whether there are providers in the SOA sense for something other than services. For example, one could say there are data providers but wouldn't they have their data sources accessed using services? Does that apply to all providing stakeholders?
Ken
On Aug 23, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Michael Stiefel wrote:
Aren't users of the services stakeholders?
Aren't manufacturers of equipment stakeholders?
Is the government that collects a tax or regulates a stakeholder?
Aren't the "victims" we discussed at the F2F stakeholders as well?
Michael
At 05:57 PM 8/23/2006, Ken Laskey wrote:
Can we have stakeholders who are providers or maintainers of something other than services? Or, do we assume by the nature of SOA that if you provide something other than a service, that something is a capability that must have a service access, so you always end up a service provider?
Ken
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