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RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?
I avoided HTML and rich text in email for a long time, but am finding it harder these days where 60% of my interaction with co-workers and colleagues is via long email threads. -matt From: Ken Laskey [mailto:] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 11:29 AM To: Matt MacKenzie Cc: Rex Brooks; Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph; Subject: Re: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both? I know hard core techies who do it to avoid their IT people. Especially prevalent on people who do computer security work and avoid Exchange. Ken On Dec 9, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Matt MacKenzie wrote: Are people still using mutt, pine and elm to read email? -matt -----Original Message----- From: Rex Brooks [mailto:] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:59 AM To: Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph; Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both? Please send text only, or do whatever is required so that I don't have to turn on html in my email client, because I will certainly forget to turn it off again before writing to other listservs where recipients get bent out of joint whenever they encounter this stuff. Of course, I also can't read whatever the message was supposed to be. Rex At 11:23 AM -0500 12/8/05, Bashioum, Christopher D wrote: face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: [mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: 06 December 2005 19:09 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Ken. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service consumer is the key concept that indicates the entity that invoked the service in the first place. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A brokering service or service actor is merely a middle-man. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wes </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken Laskey [mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: December 6, 2005 2:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: ; ; ; ; ; ; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could argue that a broker consumes the service on someone else's behalf. In reality, service actor seems too nondescriptive because either the consumer or the provider can be thought of as an actor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 01:45 PM 12/6/2005, wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to stir things up a bit, but can you change the service consumer term to service actor? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since in the case of brokering the service actor is not consuming but brokering a request to another service. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The broker service can be a service actor upon the service but might not really consume any part of the service since it is a pass through. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I guess this is a matter of opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Dan </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken Laskey [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:39 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Duane Nickull; Goran Zugic; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think we need to add some words to the RM to capture this discussion. We cover part of this in the beginning of Section 3.2.1 but need to be more specific that: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service consumer can be a human or a software agent; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a service consumer can invoke any number of services (including a single service in isolation) and can chain the output of some services to act as the input of others; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- from the perspective of a given service, the occurrence of such chaining would not be visible; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the service consumer can be implementing a business process; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the specific of a business process do not change the basic SOA concepts as described in the RM; however, the specific architecture that one designs and implements will reflect the business process and make use of specific service instances that corresponds to the real world effects that the business process hopes to realize. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now that said, and in full appreciation that we agreed earlier that mechanisms which combine services (e.g. choreography, orchestration) are out of scope, is it sufficient for words, such as those suggested above, to be included somewhere within the current discussion or do we need to pull it out into a subsection on its own? As an example of the former, we tried to deal with loose-coupling and coarse-grained with words at the end of Section 2.1. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 12:23 PM 12/6/2005, Duane Nickull wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I slightly disagree with your assertions, probably based on semantics. For a service to "participate" in a process, it would have to be aware of the process (which many will not be). A better way to depict this may be to state "services may be aggregated and used by processes" and "processes may be represented/exposed as services". There are really no limits to the number of layers that can be present. Attached is a UML CVD depicting such. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A key rationale of why process is not part of SOA is that services cannot see process. They are not aware of whether they are being called as part of a process vs. as an individual service. If the "s" part of SOA cannot see or touch that, it cannot be part of the RM. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The chicken and egg discussion you bring forward is a requirement for those building services to strongly consider the business process when designing their service infrastructure. Accordingly, it is not really part of the RM for SOA yet I agree that it is a very important consideration. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For your messages to get to the list, you must join as a "applicant" rather than an "observer" as per OASIS process. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; 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COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chair - OASIS SOA Reference Model Technical Committee </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Personal Blog - http://technoracle.blogspot.com/ </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; 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mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:47 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Duane Nickull; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Duane, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for the response. Yes I would like to see the PPT. I hope you do not mind if I add few more thoughts related to services and business processes: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Services participate in a business process to add some value to it. They can be governed and evaluated using business process metrics. One service can participate in many business processes and provide value to each of them according to the context within that process. As far as SOA is concerned it is as important to know what the service does, how it can be discovered, contacted, invoked, executed, etc. as it is to be able to use it within the process context, measure it and assess its value from the business process requirements point of view. SOA needs to avoid typical new technology chicken and egg syndrome, e.g. companies not producing services because there are no service friendly process definitions to use them and not having SOA friendly process definitions because there are no services to use. Services do not have to know if they will be involved in the process upfront, they will be contacted on demand according to the process script that is in effect, and they will be contacted, checked if available, passed the arguments, collected the response and according to their procedure left alone to wait for another call. The process execution engine however needs to invoke the service according to both service specific information and the process specific information. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having just the service specific information in a model covers only one part of the picture and I think it is fine as long as that model is a pure service model. However I find it difficult to understand that the SOA RM TC model is a SOA reference model when it does not include other concepts of SOA. Unfortunately it seems that we cannot get to the point where we could agree on a minimal set of supported SOA concepts by a model to be the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> We do not have to and I do not want to argue with you or anybody else in SOA RM TC. I am just trying to see how our works can fit together in a most efficient way. We obviously need more time to better understand each others thoughts and ideas and I strongly believe that a constructive respectable discussion is helpful for everybody. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the way, do you know what I am supposed to do to get my messages to the SOA RM list. In spite of that I am the SOA RM TC observer I get a faliure notice whenever I send a note to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Duane Nickull </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Matt MacKenzie ; ; MATHEWS, Tim ; Sally St. Amand ; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 5:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The service layer enables the process layer over top of it, however during runtime, services do not know if they are part of a process or being called individually (it would generally be a bad idea to try to maintain the overall state of a process within each service, although it could be done). For maximum repurposing of services, it would be better to have the service as a simple slave to the processes that may use it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Accordingly, we made a decision that BPM, Orchestration, choreography is not a core part of the RM for SOA. We generally seem to agree that many SOA implementations will include a layer of BPM over top. We are only addressing the SOA model, not the model for the underlying or overarching layers. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a PPT that explains this in more detail if you are interested. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; 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mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">******************************* </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Matt MacKenzie [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:51 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: ; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Process orientation is only one of multiple potential integration with service oriented architecture. SOA-RM is laying the foundation for durable architecture based on the core concept of service orientation. We recognize that process oriented architecture is a natural fit with service orientation...but so are things like event orientation. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:36 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: MATHEWS, Tim; Matt MacKenzie; Sally St. Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that SOA RM has done good job documenting well-known service related concepts and defining some new ones. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do not see other details besides service and service-related concept definitions in the current SOA RM committee draft right now. I look forward to seeing the completion of the model you are working on with the bottom-up approach. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Business, business processes and collaboration aspects of business are important to address in the model what is not the case with the current content of the SOA RM committee draft. By a business process I mean a generic business process entity which has common components (activities, decisions, etc) and relationships between them that can be used to model a business process in any environment regardless of what business we support and technology we use. I agree with Sally that a link between business processes and services should be one of key requirements any SOA reference model should try to meet. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am not sure what SOA with services brings to business when the link between the business processes and services and overall business process semantics in the SOA context are not considered to be important aspects in a SOA-based reference model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Goran </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: MATHEWS, Tim [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 5, 2005 12:34 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 'Matt MacKenzie', 'Sally St. Amand', </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt - I am not sure what point you are trying to make by this? I agree with your premise of a bottom up effort, as this was one of the operating assumptions that was made from the beginning. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, I am confident it is the business environment that is independent from the reference model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">TM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Matt MacKenzie [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:58 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Sally St. Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: RE: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sally, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A reference model actually needs to be a bottom up effort. We leave the ever so popular ?top-down? approach to folks like ebSOA J </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We?re creating a vocabulary and general understanding of what I hope we can call a discipline of computer science in the future. This means, we need a durable reference model that is not dependent on the current business environment. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Sally St. Amand [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:19 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: Re: [soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better "Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Frank </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is in response to your request on last week?s conference call, if anyone has comments speak now. I also think that the recent comments on clarifying sections are a reflection of my issues with the specification. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with the majority of points made/described in ver 10. My issues are with what is not in this draft. Based on Fig 1 the Refe! rence Model is guided by Reference Architectures, Concrete Architectures, Profile & Related Models. They in turn account for requirements, motivation & goals. This is creating a Reference Model from the bottom up. I believe a Reference Model should reflect a top down approach. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Reference Model needs to reflect the environment, the strategy and the priorities of the business/mission/collaboration. This will impact the construction of services. A service is a business task or activity that is realized through technology. The draft does a good job of describing how that realization happens. But it doesn?t provide a sufficient link between processes and services. The draft makes the point that the central focus of! SOA is the task of business function?getting something done. A business process is made up of tasks and activities to achieve a goal (getting something done). The concept of creating the service from the tasks and activities in a process is important. For example, where on the continuum of fine grained to coarse grained should a particular service be; this will affect interaction, reusability. The relationship between processes and services needs to be in the Reference Model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While I saw that there is a note saying the glossary is still in flux, since one of the objective of the Reference Model is a vocabulary, having less in the glossary might be a better option. Is semantic integration a guiding principle of SOA? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With respect to conformance there needs to be business results. That is an SOA should provide demonstrable mission accomplishments, e.g. ROI, match a competitors distribution channel. SOA is not a technology. Conformance should provide operational accomplishments, these should be measurable. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sally </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">! </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 363.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; MARGIN-RIGHT: 1in; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 3pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 291.35pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 3.0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO CKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> </x-html> -- Rex Brooks President, CEO Starbourne Communications Design GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison Berkeley, CA 94702 Tel: 510-849-2309 --- Ken Laskey MITRE Corporation, M/S H305 phone: 703-983-7934 7515 Colshire Drive fax: 703-983-1379 McLean VA 22102-7508
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