I know hard core techies who do it to avoid their IT people. Especially prevalent on people who do computer security work and avoid Exchange.
Ken
On Dec 9, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Matt MacKenzie wrote:
Are people still using mutt, pine and elm to read email?
-matt
-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Brooks [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:59 AM
To: Bashioum, Christopher D; Chiusano Joseph;
Subject: RE: [soa-rm] RE: Act versus Object versus...both?
Please send text only, or do whatever is required so that I don't
have to turn on html in my email client, because I will certainly
forget to turn it off again before writing to other listservs where
recipients get bent out of joint whenever they encounter this stuff.
Of course, I also can't read whatever the message was supposed to be.
Rex
At 11:23 AM -0500 12/8/05, Bashioum, Christopher D wrote:
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December
2005 19:09 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:
RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree
with Ken.
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
service
consumer is the key concept that indicates the entity that invoked
the
service in the first place. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A
brokering service
or service actor is merely a middle-man. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: Ken
Laskey
[mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:
December 6,
2005 2:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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; ;
;
; ; ;
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:
RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I could
argue that
a broker consumes the service on someone else's behalf. In
reality,
service actor seems too nondescriptive because either the consumer
or the
provider can be thought of as an actor. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 01:45
PM
12/6/2005, wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hate to
stir
things up a bit, but can you change the service consumer term to
service
actor? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since in
the case
of brokering the service actor is not consuming but brokering a
request to
another service. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
broker service
can be a service actor upon the service but might not really
consume any
part of the service since it is a pass through.
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But I
guess this is
a matter of opinion. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- Dan
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">-----Original
Message----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:
Ken Laskey [
mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:
Tuesday,
December 06, 2005 10:39 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:
Duane Nickull;
Goran Zugic; Matt MacKenzie; MATHEWS, Tim; Sally St. Amand;
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:
RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think
we need to
add some words to the RM to capture this discussion. We
cover part of
this in the beginning of Section 3.2.1 but need to be more
specific that:
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a
service
consumer can be a human or a software agent; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- a
service
consumer can invoke any number of services (including a single
service in
isolation) and can chain the output of some services to act as
the input of
others; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- from
the
perspective of a given service, the occurrence of such chaining
would not be
visible; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the
service
consumer can be implementing a business process;
</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">- the
specific of a
business process do not change the basic SOA concepts as described
in the
RM; however, the specific architecture that one designs and
implements will
reflect the business process and make use of specific service
instances that
corresponds to the real world effects that the business process
hopes to
realize. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now
that said, and
in full appreciation that we agreed earlier that mechanisms which
combine
services (e.g. choreography, orchestration) are out of scope, is
it
sufficient for words, such as those suggested above, to be
included
somewhere within the current discussion or do we need to pull it
out into a
subsection on its own? As an example of the former, we tried
to deal
with loose-coupling and coarse-grained with words at the end of
Section 2.1.
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ken
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At 12:23
PM
12/6/2005, Duane Nickull wrote: </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
slightly disagree
with your assertions, probably based on semantics. For a
service to
"participate" in a process, it would have to be aware of the
process (which
many will not be). A better way to depict this may be to
state
"services may be aggregated and used by processes" and "processes
may be
represented/exposed as services". There are really no limits
to the
number of layers that can be present. Attached is a UML
CVD depicting
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A key
rationale of
why process is not part of SOA is that services cannot see
process.
They are not aware of whether they are being called as part of a
process vs.
as an individual service. If the "s" part of SOA cannot see
or touch
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
chicken and egg
discussion you bring forward is a requirement for those building
services to
strongly consider the business process when designing their
service
infrastructure. Accordingly, it is not really part of the RM
for SOA
yet I agree that it is a very important consideration.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks
for the
response. Yes I would like to see the PPT. I hope you do not mind
if I add
few more thoughts related to services and business processes:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Services
participate in a business process to add some value to it. They
can be
governed and evaluated using business process metrics. One service
can
participate in many business processes and provide value to each
of them
according to the context within that process. As far as SOA is
concerned it
is as important to know what the service does, how it can be
discovered,
contacted, invoked, executed, etc. as it is to be able to use it
within the
process context, measure it and assess its value from the business
process
requirements point of view. SOA needs to avoid typical new
technology
chicken and egg syndrome, e.g. companies not producing services
because
there are no service friendly process definitions to use them
and not having
SOA friendly process definitions because there are no services to
use.
Services do not have to know if they will be involved in the
process
upfront, they will be contacted on demand according to the process
script
that is in effect, and they will be contacted, checked if
available, passed
the arguments, collected the response and according to their
procedure left
alone to wait for another call. The process execution engine
however needs
to invoke the service according to both service specific
information and the
process specific information. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having
just the
service specific information in a model covers only one part of
the picture
and I think it is fine as long as that model is a pure service
model.
However I find it difficult to understand that the SOA RM TC
model is a SOA
reference model when it does not include other concepts of SOA.
Unfortunately it seems that we cannot get to the point where we
could agree
on a minimal set of supported SOA concepts by a model to be the
<st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> We do not have to
and I do
not want to argue with you or anybody else in SOA RM TC. I am
just trying to
see how our works can fit together in a most efficient way. We
obviously
need more time to better understand each others thoughts and ideas
and I
strongly believe that a constructive respectable discussion is
helpful for
everybody. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">By the
way, do you
know what I am supposed to do to get my messages to the SOA RM
list. In
spite of that I am the SOA RM TC observer I get a faliure notice
whenever I
send a note to the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">SOA</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">RM.</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
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Duane Nickull
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Matt MacKenzie
; ; MATHEWS, Tim ; Sally St. Amand ;
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Monday,
December 05, 2005 5:02 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
service layer
enables the process layer over top of it, however during runtime,
services
do not know if they are part of a process or being called
individually (it
would generally be a bad idea to try to maintain the overall state
of a
process within each service, although it could be done). For
maximum
repurposing of services, it would be better to have the service
as a simple
slave to the processes that may use it. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Accordingly, we
made a decision that BPM, Orchestration, choreography is not a
core part of
the RM for SOA. We generally seem to agree that many SOA
implementations will include a layer of BPM over top. We are
only
addressing the SOA model, not the model for the underlying or
overarching
layers. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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PPT that
explains this in more detail if you are interested.
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RE:
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Process
orientation
is only one of multiple potential integration with service
oriented
architecture. SOA-RM is laying the foundation for durable
architecture
based on the core concept of service orientation. We
recognize that
process oriented architecture is a natural fit with service
orientation...but so are things like event orientation.
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MATHEWS, Tim;
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Re:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think
that SOA RM
has done good job documenting well-known service related concepts
and
defining some new ones. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I do
not see other
details besides service and service-related concept definitions in
the
current SOA RM committee draft right now. I look forward to seeing
the
completion of the model you are working on with the bottom-up
approach.
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:
Arial">Business, business
processes and collaboration aspects of business are important to
address in
the model what is not the case with the current content of the SOA
RM
committee draft. By a business process I mean a generic business
process
entity which has common components (activities, decisions, etc)
and
relationships between them that can be used to model a business
process in
any environment regardless of what business we support and
technology we
use. I agree with Sally that a link between business processes
and services
should be one of key requirements any SOA reference model should
try to
meet. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am
not sure what
SOA with services brings to business when the link between the
business
processes and services and overall business process semantics in
the SOA
context are not considered to be important aspects in a
SOA-based reference
model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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MATHEWS, Tim
[ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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December 5, 2005 12:34 PM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: 'Matt
MacKenzie', 'Sally St. Amand',
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:
RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
"Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Matt - I
am not
sure what point you are trying to make by this? I agree with
your
premise of a bottom up effort, as this was one of the operating
assumptions
that was made from the beginning. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, I
am confident
it is the business environment that is independent from the
reference model.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:
Matt
MacKenzie [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:
Monday,
December 05, 2005 11:58 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: Sally
St.
Amand; </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:
RE:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
"Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt:
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A
reference model
actually needs to be a bottom up effort. We leave the ever
so popular
?top-down? approach to folks like ebSOA J </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We?re
creating a
vocabulary and general understanding of what I hope we can call
a discipline
of computer science in the future. This means, we need a
durable
reference model that is not dependent on the current business
environment.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-matt
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Amand [ mailto:] </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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December 05, 2005 10:19 AM </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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Re:
[soa-rm] Proposal: Reorganization of SOA-RM Draft for Better
"Componentization" </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is
in response
to your request on last week?s conference call, if anyone has
comments speak
now. I also think that the recent comments on clarifying sections
are a
reflection of my issues with the specification.
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree
with the
majority of points made/described in ver 10. My issues are with
what is not
in this draft. Based on Fig 1 the Refe! rence Model is guided by
Reference
Architectures, Concrete Architectures, Profile & Related
Models. They in
turn account for requirements, motivation & goals. This is
creating a
Reference Model from the bottom up. I believe a Reference Model
should
reflect a top down approach. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The
Reference Model
needs to reflect the environment, the strategy and the priorities
of the
business/mission/collaboration. This will impact the
construction of
services. A service is a business task or activity that is
realized through
technology. The draft does a good job of describing how that
realization
happens. But it doesn?t provide a sufficient link between
processes and
services. The draft makes the point that the central focus of! SOA
is the
task of business function?getting something done. A business
process is made
up of tasks and activities to achieve a goal (getting something
done). The
concept of creating the service from the tasks and activities in a
process
is important. For example, where on the continuum of fine
grained to coarse
grained should a particular service be; this will affect
interaction,
reusability. The relationship between processes and services
needs to be in
the Reference Model. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While I
saw that
there is a note saying the glossary is still in flux, since one of
the
objective of the Reference Model is a vocabulary, having less in
the
glossary might be a better option. Is semantic integration a
guiding
principle of SOA? </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">With
respect to
conformance there needs to be business results. That is an SOA
should
provide demonstrable mission accomplishments, e.g. ROI, match a
competitors
distribution channel. SOA is not a technology. Conformance should
provide
operational accomplishments, these should be measurable.
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