Thanks all
Yes, I'm very comfortable with it as well.
But I'm pleased we have aired this early on so:
1) *We* know what we are aiming for
2) We take our readers on the journey that Chris did for me, to get the context correct for them.
All good!
Cheers
Colin
Subject: RE: [tgf] RE: TGF DELIVERABLES
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:38:19 +0100
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Hi All,
Just a
line to support the approach suggested by Chris and John.
The UK
has a federated approach – firstly by bay of the devolved administrations
(Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) who tend to adopt the English policy/strategy
and build upon it and, secondly, by business sector (Health Education, etc)
that aim to unite related (parts of) organisations with similar objectives and
a need to work together. These last are being defined at the moment but should
exploit existing assets (e.g. sector standards bodies). The central work is
trying to build the governance to facilitate this federation and also with
external bodies that are active in particular business areas (these may be EU
directives (e.g. Inspire for location data) or trade standards bodies OSCRE
(for real estate). Whilst not seeking to mandate the way that the sectors and
external bodies work, they do need to be considered in the development of the
Whole-of-government level.
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Nig
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From:
John Borras [mailto:]
Sent: 25 October 2010 08:49
To: 'Chris Parker'; 'Colin
Wallis'; 'tgf @lists.oasis-open.org'
Subject: RE: [tgf] RE: TGF
DELIVERABLES
An interesting
discussion. This could get very complex if we are not careful. For
example would the same approach about sectoral aspects be implemented in
smaller governments? I can understand doing it in a large country with
many Gov departments etc but would you take the same approach in a third world
country with limited finances and a smaller Gov structure, there it might
not be cost effective to decompose to the same level?
I would suggest we
get the top layer sorted first as Chris says and then decide how to decompose
that if that’s what is believed to be necessary. Clearly something
for early discussion on our next TC meeting.
Views from others on
this would be appreciated.
Regards
John Borras
Chair OASIS TGF
Technical Committee
m. +(0)44 7976
157745
Skype:
gov3john
From:
Chris Parker [mailto:]
Sent: 24 October 2010 17:58
To: Colin Wallis; John Borras; tgf
@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [tgf] RE: TGF
DELIVERABLES
Colin
These are good points, and we'll need to find the
right balance. New
Zealand's approach is by no means unique:
most government's seek to address some issues at a whole-of-government level,
yet also have active cluster/sector based approaches.
I'll leave it to John to take a view on what this
means in terms of the scoping document (which, by the way John I thought was
excellent!). But on the substance of how to address the issue, my
thinking is as follows:
a) Government is just too big a business
to join up through any centralised, top-down mechanism
b) It therefore follows that it
makes absoute sense to encourage joining-up at a cluster/sector level, where
organisations involved in a common business area (say the criminial juistice
system) are best placed to work out how to do this
c) However, it is vital
then to make sure that a "joined-up cluster" doesn't just become
another silo (albeit a bigger one)
d) Therefore, the focus at
whole-of-government level should be on putting in place the minimum
strategic framework needed to ensure that bottom-up, sectoral initiatives work
together as an interoperable whole.
In terms of the CS Transform model that we have put
on the table as a contribution to the TGF, our approach to this "minimum
whole-of-government framework" is to focus on two main areas:
- First, the common building blocks that cut across
all sectoral/cluster initiatives, and which therefore bring significant
efficiency benefits from a whole-of-government approach (typically, these will
be the common data sets like identity, address and so on, and the common core
applications like authentication, payments, notifications etc)
- Second, ensuring that the "voice of the
customer" is represented at a whole-of-government level, by introducing
a virtual, citizen-centric business layer which sits across and
within the sectoral approach. (In order, for example, to ensure that the
needs of a customer group such as parents - which cut across education, health, social
care, tax and benefit sectors and more - are understood and championed in
a holistic way.)
Clearly the group as a whole will need to take its
own view on precisely what issues should be addressed at a whole-of-government
level, and which left to a sectoral/cluster approach. But in terms of the
balance between the two, my strong feeling is that we should - at least at
first! - focus the Transformational Government Framework at the
whole-of-government level. Later on, once the TGF is properly established,
we might look at supplementing this with best practice frameworks for specific
business areas (education, health, criminal justice etc), but I think this
would be too much to bite off for the TC at first.
Grateful for views from John and others.
Chris Parker
Managing Partner, CS Transform Ltd, +44
7951 754 060
From:
Colin Wallis [mailto:]
Sent: 24 October 2010 00:37
To: John Borras; tgf
@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: [tgf] RE: TGF
DELIVERABLES
Thanks John
That's an excellent start.
There are two things that spring to mind here at yet another airport, but they
are related:
1) I don't know about other governments but we have a mix of
'all-of-government' (AoG) policy and community/cluster/sector policy (such as
Health, Education etc). Ideally the sector work builds off the AoG work,
but sometimes that's hard to see!, and I recall a couple of instances where it
has actually run counter to AoG policy!:-). So while the attached doc proposes
to pull whatever policy exists in government today, they will not all line up
in terms of depth, scope, etc. We will have to be very careful not to
confuse the readers at this juncture.
2) Related to 1) above we will need to explain the relationship between
all-of-government policy and community/cluster/sector-based policy. This
could almost become a clarifying point regarding the scope.
Cheers
Colin
From:
To: ;
Subject: TGF DELIVERABLES
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 15:37:14 +0100
As mentioned on our call yesterday, please find
attached my draft document which attempts to explain in greater detail the list
of deliverables as set out in the TC Charter. It’s very important
that we get a common understanding of the deliverables from the outset so
please take some time to review this document and let me have any comments or
alternative suggestions within the next couple of weeks if possible.
I would see this document as being an important
input to the workshop in DC on 9 Dec and then for us to use it in our TC
meeting on 10th to determine our work programme.
Regards
John Borras
Chair OASIS TGF Technical Committee
m. +(0)44 7976 157745
Skype: gov3john
