RE: [wsbpel-spec-edit] member list in spec

Sally,

When we discussed this in the TC meeting,
both voting members and members were to be included in the current members
list and that was to be based on the roster.  We didn't discuss any
additional criteria for being included on the current members list.  So,
as I interpret it, regardless of attendance or other contributions, all
the members and voting members who were on the roster as of June 28 or
become part of the roster after that date should be on the current members
list.   

I appreciate your efforts to capture
the history on membership.  Unfortunately I haven't had time to look
at it and compare it with the records I have.  As we discussed today
there isn't any sort of member archive we can look to from Oasis.  
There are two areas we need to consider, the folks who contributed and
then left OASIS completely so they dropped off the list, and the people
who contributed for a while as members and then didn't meet attendance
requirements and were moved to Observers.  

  

erebor is a member company of Oasis
and is the current sponsor for Peter's membership, so I don't think there
should be any objection to his request.  

For opting out, I think anyone who contacts
us and asks to be removed should be removed - beyond that I don't know
what more we can do.  Do you have any suggestions?   

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

"Sally St. Amand"
<> 

08/16/2006 08:41 PM

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

cc

"Marin, Mike" <>,


Subject

RE: [wsbpel-spec-edit] member list in
spec

Diane

I understand that we are going to include members and
voting members from 6.28.06 and forward as current members. I thought the
decision was to make a distinction between members and voting member who
are considered current. If not then I think there will be questions raised.
Some of the people who are 'current members' have made minimal appearances,
especially in the last 6 months.

 

In the early days the distinction was between observers
and members so capturing all the past members is the issue. As I said before
I made an effort to go through docs and list those I knew about without
any official records.

 

Based on the comments made by Mary, Peter Furniss's request
cannot be honored. erbor is not a member company of OASIS. We will need
to give people an opt-out provision. How do you want to handle that?

 

Sally

Diane Jordan <> wrote:

According to the decision the TC made, all members, not just voting members
as of June 28 and forward (ie, anyone who joins as a member after that
date) will be listed as current members.  There may be ongoing changes
between voting and non-voting members and there are people who are coming
off of leaves of absence but I don't recall any net adds to the membership
in this timeframe (I may have forgotten some though).   Attendance
is not required for membership, only for voting  rights.

The previous member list would be those who were members (voting and regular
members, not observers) at some previous time.  This is the tricky
part - some of the people who show up as observers now, were members before.
 Also, there are people who have dropped from the TC/ OASIS so don't
appear anywhere.   

  

Thanks. 

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

"Sally St. Amand"
<> 

08/15/2006 09:54 PM

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

cc

,
"Marin, Mike" <>

Subject

RE: [wsbpel-spec-edit] member list in
spec

Diane 

  

I downloaded the roster as of August 14 on to the attached spreedsheet.
Sheet 1 is the Voting Members. It includes several people who were not
Voting Members on the earlier spreadsheet; presumably this will continue
to change so when do we want to draw the line. Sheet 2 is the Members as
of Aug 14; it is a lengthy list. Were many of these people regular attendees?
Note I changed Peter's affiliation per his request. Sheet 3 is the list
of others who were Members at some point between the TC's beginnings and
6.28.06. It is not a complete list as I explained in my earlier email.
Neither you or John were listed on the roster on 8.14.06. 

  

Sally 

  

  

  

  

"Sally St. Amand" <> wrote:

Mike 

  

The draft list is the list that is currently in the spec, Appendix J. I
went through the roster list right after the agreement was made as of 6.28.06
to have 2 groups of members those who were/are members or voting members
from 6.28.06 until the spec is finished. The second group is anyone who
was a member during the existance of the TC from 2003 until 6.28.06. 

  

Using a roster from the first week in July I constructed the list  of
Members6.28.06. Based on documents I had during the course of being a member
since BPEL's beginnings I constructed the second list Members03-6.28.06.
Early on there was no distinction between Member and Voting Member, so
I listed everyone on this list as Member. 

I do not have the historical rosters so this second list is a best estimate
intended to initiate the list. I am sure there are people who should be
on it but are not becasue  I do not have the prior rosters. Presumably
this documentation is in OASIS's possession. 

  

Let me know if I can be of help 

  

Sally

"Marin, Mike" <> wrote: 

Diane, 

  

Few comments and/or questions: 

  

1- Checking the list of editors with the Revision history, it turns out
three people in the revision list are not in the editors list. I will add
them to the editors list (Alejandro Gu瞵ar, Mark Ford, and Rania Khalaf).

  

2- In the spread sheet the draft page, contains several people that have
never been members (they were or are observers). To implement the motion,
we will need at least few more rosters from the beginning of the working
group. I still not clear what to do in here. 

  

3- Following the template, I will move the Notices section before the table
of content. 

--

Regards,

Mike Marin 

From: Diane Jordan [mailto:] 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:41 PM

To: ; 

Subject: [wsbpel-spec-edit] member list in spec

  

Hi Mike, 

Second question first  - the standard faults section should be Appendix
A.   

On the first question, we passed a motion on who to include in the member
list.  (see:  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/wsbpel/email/archives/200606/msg00206.html
)  Here it is:

This is the methodology we decided on on today's call for determining inclusion
in Appendix J:.   

In the acknowledgement appendix, create 2 sub-sections: 1 listing current
members and voting members, and 2) listing anyone that was a member/voting
member in the past but is no longer (exlude all observers) 

This should be effective as of today and including any new members/voting
members 

Member affiliation on the ack list will be determined according to the
following:   

1 current affilaiton for those still on the roster 

2 affiliation shown on the roster at the time they were members for those
no longer on the roster 

3 personal request to have affiliation changed 

Also, anyone who requests to be removed from this list will be removed.
  

Sally has started the work of updating hte list of members.  Here
is the last email she sent on this with a spreadsheet she put together.
 I need to go back and check that we've picked up people who were
members earlier and have left the group/oasis but haven't had time to do
that.     

Attached is a member list for inclusion in the specification. It reflects
the ground rules outlined in Diane's email of June 28. That date becomes
the dividing line for the 2 sheets 1) current members and 2) membership
at some time in the life of the committee. 

 

I have added people based on emails from Monica & Alex. I have not
received any emails from any one else. However Peter raised the issue of
listing multiple affliations. A decision needs to be made on that, including
how many affliations & what order (current with 1 prior affliation,
the affiliation started with and 1 or more additional ones). 

 

Based on my time on the TC the list has some anomolies in it but I have
no access to records to resolve questions. 

 

Sorry I had to leave the call early. Let me know if there is anything else
I can do. 

 

Sally 

Also, if you have the time, could you verify that all the people who have
made updates to the spec per the change log are in the editors list please?
  

Thanks. 

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

"Marin, Mike"
<> 

08/14/2006 07:21 PM 

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS,
<> 

cc

  

Subject

RE: [wsbpel-spec-edit] Mike has the
pen

  

 

 

 

Few other questions: 

 

1- With respect to updating the list of members, I understand that I should
take the list of members from the OASIS wsbpel roster and merge it with
the list in the specification. Is this the correct procedure? And second,
should I use the complete wsbpel roster including observers?

 

2- The current specification has section that starts with letters (for
example: “A. Standard Faults”). The OASIS template uses the word Appendix
in those cases (for example: “Appendix A. Standard Faults”). Should I
go ahead and do that change? 

--

Regards,

Mike Marin 

  

From: Diane Jordan [mailto:] 

Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:23 AM

To: 

Subject: [wsbpel-spec-edit] Mike has the pen 

 

Thanks Mike.  Please note the additional comment from Mary that's
not included in action item 62 - 

Apparently the Word file has lost its styles (page breaks, running footers,
etc.) Check out the word templates at docs.oasis-open.org/templates/ ...
I think you have the right bits, but the actual style information seems
to have been lost? Let me know if you help and I'll see what I can do.

If the OASIS template doesn't provide enough information, let me know and
we can get back to her for specifics on what they want.  

After the call on Wed, we'll have to incorporate the xsd and then circulate
to the committee for approval of the candiate for public review.  

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

----- Forwarded by Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM on 08/14/2006 09:19 AM -----

"Marin, Mike"
<> 

08/11/2006 07:15 PM 
 

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS,
<> 

cc

  

Subject

RE: [wsbpel-spec-edit] remaining spec
editing work - pen is idle

  

  

  
 

I can take the pen, and do action item 62, starting on Monday afternoon.
I can have the pen for two days until Wednesday afternoon. I should be
able to complete action item 62 and update the member list.

  

--

Regards,

Mike Marin 

  

From: Diane Jordan [mailto:] 

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:07 PM

To: 

Subject: [wsbpel-spec-edit] remaining spec editing work - pen is idle

Importance: High 

Hi 

The pen is idle - any volunteers?   Other than the xsd and member
list to finish and incorporate, I think we're close to done.  I sent
the last CD to Mary at OASIS to have her review it and her comments are
below (also see action item 62 - only open one now!).    

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

----- Forwarded by Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM on 08/11/2006 04:01 PM -----

"Mary McRae"
<> 

08/11/2006 03:55 PM 

  

  

Please respond to

<>

  

  

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

cc

  

Subject

RE: BPEL almost ready for public review

  

  

  

  
 

Hi Diane, 

Apparently the Word file has lost its styles (page breaks, running footers,
etc.) Check out the word templates at docs.oasis-open.org/templates/ ...
I think you have the right bits, but the actual style information seems
to have been lost? Let me know if you help and I'll see what I can do.

m 

  

From: Diane Jordan [mailto:] 

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 3:42 PM

To: 

Subject: RE: BPEL almost ready for public review

Thanks Mary - here is the doc file that we're editing:  

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=19482&wg_abbrev=wsbpel

I'll put you on the agenda for this coming meeting.    

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709

"Mary McRae"
<> 

08/11/2006 01:37 PM 

  

  

Please respond to

<>

  

  

  

To

Diane Jordan/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS

cc

  

Subject

RE: BPEL almost ready for public review

  

  

  

  
 

Hi Diane, 

Thanks for asking :-) Let's do a couple of things.

1. location: let's use a persistent URI such as http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsbpel/v2.0/

When it's ready, you upload it to Kavi and send me the link, and I'll upload
to docs.oasis-open.org 

2. Status: Please use the template boilerplate text as follows:

This document was last revised or approved by the WS-BPEL TC on the above
date. The level of approval is also listed above. Check the current location
noted above for possible later revisions of this document. This document
is updated periodically on no particular schedule. 

Technical Committee members should send comments on this specification
to the Technical Committee’s email list. Others should send comments to
the Technical Committee by using the “Send A Comment” button on the Technical
Committee’s web page at www.oasis-open.org/committees/wsbpel.

For information on whether any patents have been disclosed that may be
essential to implementing this specification, and any offers of patent
licensing terms, please refer to the Intellectual Property Rights section
of the Technical Committee web page ( www.oasis-open.org/committees/wsbpel/ipr.php.)

The non-normative errata page for this specification is located at www.oasis-open.org/committees/wsbpel.

3. Update the Notices section to match the template boilerplate:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/templates/OASIS_Specification_Template_v2-0_Legacy.html
-- Notices section 

4. Remove section G (this is covered in the Status section)

Is the TC authoring the spec in HTML? If not, I'll need that version as
well. I can't check the running footers in the HTML version.

I should be able to make the meeting on the 16th; I don't think there's
any changes in the process that would impact BPEL going forward. The biggest
change is around new charter intake and specs will be required to be submitted
in XHTML (rather than HTML). Jamie should be getting the new version uploaded
in the next few days. 

Regards, 

Mary 

  

From: Diane Jordan [mailto:] 

Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 11:02 AM

To: ; 

Cc: James Bryce Clark; Michael Winters; 

Subject: BPEL almost ready for public review

Hi Mary, 

We've just approved what we think is the public review -1 committee draft:
  

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/19511/wsbpel-specification-draft-Aug01-2006.htm

Would you please take a look at it and let me know if there are any formatting
issues remaining.   

Would it  be possible for you to spend an hour with the TC - either
as part of the next call on Aug 16 (8-10am pacific) or on another date
- to go over a few process questions?  I understand there are some
new process updates in progress - it would be helpful to have info on any
that may effect specs that are "in flight".

Thanks. 

Regards, Diane

IBM  Emerging Internet Software Standards



(919)254-7221 or 8-444-7221, Mobile: 919-624-5123, Fax 845-491-5709