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Draft Minutes 2008-07-22 are attached
Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-07-22
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SCA-Assembly Teleconference
22 JUL 2008
Attendees
Present
Mark Combellack, (Avaya, Inc.)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Bryan Aupperle, (IBM)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
David Booz, (IBM)
Graham Charters, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Dieter Koenig, (IBM)
Simon Moser, (IBM)
Simon Nash, (IBM)
Peter Furniss, (Iris Financial Solutions Ltd.)
Jeff Estefan, (Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Anish Karmarkar, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Gilbert Pilz, (Oracle Corporation)
Sabin Ielceanu, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Eric Wells
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 8th July
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/28762/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-07-08.html
3. Action Items:
2008-04-28-1: Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3: Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F discussion
so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4: Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6: Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-06-03-8: ref Assembly-16 Nash to look into how binding uris may be handled
2008-07-08-1: Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of pseudo-schema
4. New Issues
ASSEMBLY-73 What correlation support should SCA provide for callbacks?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-73
5. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-53 Contribution Extension Model
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-53
Updated proposal is contained in this email
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200806/msg00043.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00027.html
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
Latest discussion and proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00027.html
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
Proposed update to the Issue:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00029.html
Requires a writeup based on discussions at the F2F
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
Proposal requires write-up of 2 separate action items from the F2F
1)
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00020.html
ASSEMBLY-33 Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
Waiting on a write up based on the discussions at the F2F
6. AOB
Next meeting is on July 29th
Contents
Topics
[1]
Agenda bashing
[2]
Minutes
[3]
Action Items
[4]
Roll Call
[5]
New Issues
[6]
ASSEMBLY-73
[7]
Open Issues
[8]
ASSEMBLY-53 Contribution Extension Model
[9]
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
[10]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Old:
2008-04-28-1: id=2008-04-28-1 status=Pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3: id=2008-06-03-3 status=Pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4: id=2008-06-03-4 status=Pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6: id=2008-06-03-6 status=Pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-06-03-8: id=2008-06-03-8 status=Completed ref Assembly-16 Nash to look into how binding uris may be handled
2008-07-08-1: id=2008-07-08-1 status=Pending Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of
pseudo-schema
New:
2008-07-22-1: Aupperle to raise new issue(s) wrt ASSEMBLY-28
2008-07-22-2: Edwards to raise an issue regarding definition of lifecycle model
2008-07-22-3: Karmarkar to send an E-mail with detials of use case
2008-07-22-4: Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case
2008-07-22-5: Edwards to start discussion on E-mail regarding Section 6.6
Resolutions
2008-07-22-1: Minutes of 18-Jul-08 accepted w/o
2008-07-22-2: Issue ASSEMBLY-73 opened w/o
2008-07-22-3: Resolve ASSEMBLY-53 with propsal in E-mail issue=53
Minutes
Scribe: Eric Wells
Agenda bashing
No additions - agenda accepted
Minutes
Approval of 18-Jul-08 minutes
Resolution: Minutes of 18-Jul-08 accepted w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2008-04-28-1 status=Pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
Action: id=2008-06-03-3 status=Pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
Action: id=2008-06-03-4 status=Pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=Pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id=2008-06-03-8 status=Completed ref Assembly-16 Nash to look into how binding uris may be handled
Action: id=2008-07-08-1 status=Pending Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of
pseudo-schema
Roll Call
16/24 Members present - Quorate
New Issues
ASSEMBLY-73
Motion: Open Issue 73 m: Martin C s: Bryan A
Resolution: Issue ASSEMBLY-73 opened w/o
Open Issues
ASSEMBLY-53 Contribution Extension Model
Aupperle:
Reviews his proposal
... conflict between this and ASSEMBLY-28
... can Schema experts address this?
Proposal attached to E-mail:http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200806/msg00043.html
ASSEMBLY-28 already in CD document
Action: Aupperle to raise new issue(s) wrt ASSEMBLY-28
Discussion on proposal for ASSEMBLY-53 (in "Contribution.doc")
Resolution: Resolve ASSEMBLY-53 with propsal in E-mail issue=53
Proposal accepted w/o
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
<Dave Booz>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00033.html
Proposal attached to above message
<Dave Booz>
navigate to section 6.6
Dave B: Reviews proposed changes
Martin C:
SCA-Runtime must raise an error - what sort of error?
<anish>
i think this error can be raised at deployment. But we should not force it. It must be raised at least before 'runtime'
... if not running how is error sent/received?
Discussion on whether entire contribution should be rejected or just the part that causes error
<anish>
so, there are two things we should say: 'when' and on 'what'
Also (subtle) distinction between deployment or runtime
Wording in final paragraph of section 6.6 needs changing to be more specific
Martin C:
Have talked in the past about abstract lifecycle definition
... if we had this it would make the "When" easier
Action: Edwards to raise an issue regarding definition of lifecycle model
Discussion of "What" and if entire contribution s/b rejected
Simon N: Would be good if we could only reject bad part of contribution
... but only if we can be sure there are no dependencies
<Martin C>
how about: As a result, the SCA runtime MUST reject a deployment composite if an included composite is not found within the
same SCA contribution as the including deployment composite
<Simon Nash>
The SCA runtime must prevent execution of any deployment composite that depends on a composite with any included composite
that is not found within the same SCA contribution
<Simon Nash>
the "depends on" part is needed
Next section of proposal - Section 11.2.1
Dave B: Reviews proposal
Anish:
Wording is not clear where WSDL would be resolved
... Example IS clear but wording could be interpreted differently
<anish>
dave, what did you have in mind wrt recursive imports?
<anish>
never mind. u do have words about looking recursively
Long discussion on how these imports work
Overriding local by imports, etc.
(Sorry don't know what happend there)
Mike E: Any other comments on this section?
<Simon Nash>
a imports namespace foo from b / b imports namespace bar from c / a references something in bar / does something come from
a or c?
Anish:
Describes a use case where imports could be ambiguous
Simon N: Clarifies use case discussed earlier
Mike E: There seems to be too many concerns to resolve - continue discussion on E-mail list
Action: Karmarkar to send an E-mail with detials of use case
<anish>
Anish's usecase: three contributions X, Y and Z. Point out the case where a wsdl is imported in X from Y and the wsdl references
a schema that is also available in both Y and Z. In such a case the schema for the wsdl must come from Y and not Z.
Action: Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case
<bob>
/eric, new ais are auto numbered.
Action: Edwards to start discussion on E-mail regarding Section 6.6
<Simon Nash>
i thought what we wanted to enforce was that if a imports foo from b and b contains something that uses foo.qname, the search
for foo.qname must not go to a
the other case I am concerned about is that a imports foo from b and a contains something that uses foo.qnamei think the search
for foo.qname should go to a
Further discussion on imports - caching, OSGI model
AOB
Straggler role
Adjourned 8:59AM PST
[End of Minutes]
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