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Draft minutes of 2008-10-14 are attached (sorry for lateness)
Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-10-14
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SCA Assembly TC
Teleconference
14 OCT 2008
Attendees
Present
fred carter
Mark Combellack
Robert Freund
Eric Wells
Bryan Aupperle
Michael Beisiegel
David Booz
Graham Charters
Mike Edwards
Simon Moser
Jim Marino
Simon Nash
Simon Nash
Jeff Estefan
Anish Karmarkar
Sanjay Patil
Plamen Pavlov
Peter Walker
Sabin Ielceanu
Scott Vorthmann
Chair
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC F2F meeting of 30th September / 1st October
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/29634/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-09-30.html
3. Action Items:
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
id=2008-10-30-1 status=pending Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution
to Assembly-37
id=2008-10-30-2 status=pending Edwards to write up some specific text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-16
id=2008-10-30-3 status=pending Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Koenig do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
id=2008-10-30-7 status=pending Edwards to make a version of the spec and will label normative statements and will produce
an example test case
id=2008-10-30-8 status=pending Freund to draft a conformance statement
4. Conformance, Test
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00013.html
5. New Issues
ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86
ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87
6. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00011.html
Direction agreed at Oct F2F - waiting writeup
ASSEMBLY-36 Compatability of component type side files
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-36
Direction agreed at Oct F2F - waiting writeup
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Direction agreed at Oct F2F - waiting writeup
ASSEMBLY-61: Component type information directly in components
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-61
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00014.html
ASSEMBLY-64: Specification inconsistent on whether a default value for Property on a Constraining Type is allowed or not
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-64
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00015.html
ASSEMBLY-73: What correlation support should SCA provide for callbacks?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-73
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00016.html
ASSEMBLY-47: Interface element needs an operation child element
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-47
ASSEMBLY-51: Composite Completeness
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-51
ASSEMBLY-48: Defaulting composite reference targets to internal components
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-48
ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
ASSEMBLY-34: Define error handling
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34
ASSEMBLY-46: Dynamic Aspects of the Domain not adequately described in the Assembly Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-46
ASSEMBLY-5: component type allows to specify wire targets on references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-5
ASSEMBLY-80: Create an Event Processing Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80
ASSEMBLY-2: use of UML 2.0
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-2
7. Issue Status
15 Open Issues
x opened
x resolved
8. AOB
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Action Items
[3]
Conformance & Test
[4]
New Issues
[5]
New Issue ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86
[6]
New Issue ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87
[7]
Old Moldy Issues
[8]
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
[9]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Done:
id=2008-10-30-2 status=done Edwards to write up some specific text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-16
id=2008-10-30-7 status=done Edwards to make a version of the spec and will label normative statements and will produce an example test case
Pending:
id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
id=2008-10-30-1 status=pending Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution to Assembly-37
id=2008-10-30-3 status=pending Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Koenig do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
id=2008-10-30-8 status=pending Freund to draft a conformance statement
Resolutions
2008-10-14-1: Minutes of 2008-09-30 approved w/o
2008-10-14-2: Assembly-86 opened w/o
2008-10-14-3: m:Karmarkar s:Booz New Issue Assembly-87 opened w/o
Minutes
Scribe: Bob Freund
Opening
Martin Chapman and Ashok Malhotra are on LOA
Mark Combellack has come off LOA
Roll - quorate with 13 of 24 voting members
Agenda - agreed
Resolution: Minutes of 2008-09-30 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
Action: id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail
Action: id=2008-10-30-1 status=pending Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution
to Assembly-37
Action: id=2008-10-30-2 status=done Edwards to write up some specific text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-16
Action: id=2008-10-30-3 status=pending Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
Action: id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
Action: id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
Action: id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Koenig do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
Action: id=2008-10-30-7 status=done Edwards to make a version of the spec and will label normative statements and will produce an
example test case
Action: id=2008-10-30-8 status=pending Freund to draft a conformance statement
Conformance & Test
see http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00013.html which contains an updated version of the spec as well as some conformance materials
Edwards reviews the materials
Nash suggests we in-line the text from the appendix so that it is absolutely the same text
<Bryan Aupperle>
is it just me or is there noise on the line?
<anish>
the contribution should not be thrown out
<anish>
only the deployment should fail
<anish>
we have a many-many
New Issues
New Issue ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86
Karmarkar discusses his new issue
Resolution: Assembly-86 opened w/o
<Jim Marino>
I am in on the call, just mute problem
New Issue ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87
Resolution: m:Karmarkar s:Booz New Issue Assembly-87 opened w/o
<Sanjay>
Anish, curious to know the scenarios that would benefit from standardization of the CRUD API for the definitions infoset.
Old Moldy Issues
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
see Edwards' proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200810/msg00011.html
<Sanjay>
I guess any SCA runtime implementation will have to come up with some CRUD API for its own sake but is there a real reason
for standardizing these API?
<anish>
gd Q sanjay, but this applies to all the abstract APIs that we define
<anish>
i still think that changing property using the property URI is very strange
<anish>
at runtime that is
<anish>
for example i configured composite A containing a component property. Composite A is now used at multiple places. The property
value is guaranteed to be the same regardless of where and how composite A is used.
<anish>
if u use a URI to change a property inside a particular occurrence of the property, u'll be breaking the encapsulation
<anish>
how about 'relevant binding type'
<Sanjay>
I also don't see a convincing case for changing props of deployed components but I guess defining a URI for props is harmless.
We may raise some Qs in the mind of the spec reader but I guess we are way beyond worrying about that :-)
Time ran out in discussion...
AOB
straggler roll
Adjourned
<Mike Edwards>
Thanks Bob
<Mike Edwards>
can you give me a few minutes to sort out the roll, Bob
<Mike Edwards>
I'd like to get Simon & Mark's status adjusted
no problem. just let me know when
<Mike Edwards>
OK, Bob - all done
thanks
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