Raw chat log of SCA-J call on September 8th

[15:58] Mark Combellack:
Country Toll Numbers Freephone/Toll Free Number

 

ARGENTINA
0800-777-0463

AUSTRALIA
ADELAIDE:
61-8-8121-4868 1-800-249-288

AUSTRALIA
BRISBANE:
61-7-3102-0970 1-800-249-288

AUSTRALIA
CANBERRA:
61-2-6100-1970 1-800-249-288

AUSTRALIA
MELBOURNE:
61-3-9010-7739 1-800-249-288

AUSTRALIA
PERTH:
61-8-9467-5249 1-800-249-288

AUSTRALIA
SYDNEY:
61-2-8205-8125 1-800-249-288

AUSTRIA
43-1-92-86-506 0800-005-029

BELGIUM
32-1-150-0314 0800-4-8680

BRAZIL
0800-8911987

CHILE
1230-020-2867

CHINA*
86-400-810-4766 10800-712-1433

10800-120-1433

COLOMBIA
01800-9-156430

CZECH REPUBLIC
420-2-25-98-56-54 800-700-173

DENMARK
45-7014-0280 8088-6132

FINLAND Land
Line: 106-33-146 0-800-1-10100

FINLAND
Mobile:
09-106-33-146 0-800-1-10100

FRANCE
LYON: 33-4-26-69-12-81 080-563-9647

FRANCE
MARSEILLE: 33-4-86-06-00-81 080-563-9647

FRANCE
PARIS:
33-1-70-70-74-20 080-563-9647

GERMANY
49-69-2222-2566 0800-000-3441

GREECE
30-80-1-100-0683 00800-12-6973

HONG
 KONG 852-2286-5731 800-930-705

HUNGARY
06-800-18013

INDIA
000-800-852-1266

INDONESIA
001-803-011-3787

IRELAND
353-1-247-5253 1800-932-145

ISRAEL
1-80-9214916

ITALY
39-02-3600-3642 800-986-570

JAPAN
OSAKA:
81-6-7739-4769 0034-800-400828

JAPAN
TOKYO:
81-3-5539-5189 0034-800-400828

LUXEMBOURG
352-27-000-1360

MALAYSIA
1-800-80-2812

MEXICO
001-866-627-0574

NETHERLANDS
31-20-718-8533 0800-020-1392

NEW ZEALAND
64-9-970-4769 0800-449-823

NORWAY
47-21-59-00-59 800-15414

PANAMA
011-001-800-5072129

POLAND
00-800-1212021

PORTUGAL
8008-14061

RUSSIA
8-10-8002-9683011

SINGAPORE
65-6883-9228 800-120-4662

SLOVAK REPUBLIC
421-2-322-422-21

SOUTH AFRICA
080-09-80416

SOUTH KOREA
82-2-6744-1081 00798-14800-6860

SPAIN
34-91-414-62-98 800-099-810

SWEDEN
46-8-505-78-524 0200-890-106

SWITZERLAND
41-44-580-4389 0800-001-523

TAIWAN
886-2-2795-7377 00801-137-766

THAILAND
001-800-1206-65656

UNITED
 KINGDOM BIRMINGHAM: 44-121-210-9021 0808-238-6025

UNITED
 KINGDOM GLASGOW: 44-141-202-3221 0808-238-6025

UNITED
 KINGDOM LEEDS:
44-113-301-2121 0808-238-6025

UNITED
 KINGDOM LONDON: 44-20-7075-3246 0808-238-6025

UNITED
 KINGDOM MANCHESTER: 44-161-601-1421 0808-238-6025

URUGUAY
000-413-598-3415

USA
1-203-418-3122 866-692-3163

VENEZUELA
0800-1-00-3733

 

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dependent on the participants'
local telecom provider

 

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[15:59] Mark Combellack: -
Roll Call

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=sca-j

- Appointment of scribe.
List attached below

- Agenda bashing

- Approval of minutes from
previous meeting(s)

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/29201/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-08-18.doc

 

 

1. Election of co-chair

 

After Simon's notice of
resignation, we agreed in the last meeting to elect a replacement co-chair

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00105.html

 

 

2. Dial in access numbers
for the Conference Calls

 

Since Simon is leaving IBM,
his access numbers that are used for the SCA-J

will no longer be available.
We need to organise an alternative.

 

 

3. Leaves of Absence:

 

Mark Combellack will be on
LOA from September 22 to October 6 inclusive.

 

 

4. Review action items:

 

2008-07-15-2: Vladimir to produce a
proposal for JAVA-2

2008-07-15-4: Chairs to
produce schedule for spec completion with help from Anish

2008-07-15-9: MikeE to
produce worked example of his proposal for JAVA-1, and to show the invocation
model

2008-07-24-2: Simon to
revise proposal for issue 49 based on today's discussion

2008-08-11-1: Mark to send
email requesting nominations for co-chair

2008-08-11-2: Editors to
check with other specifications how the use of 'a' and 'an' when referring to
annotations.

 

 

5. Update from JEE Sub
Committee Chair (Time boxed to maximum of 10 minutes)

 

Consider subcommittee
recommendation to set the date on which a higher bar applies to opening new
issues on the Java EE spec to October 15, 2008.

 

 

6. Date of the next SCA-J
Face to Face (F2F) meeting

 

Previously, the TC agreed to
have the next F2F in Cardiff,
 UK the week of

November 10th to 14th and
co-locate with the SCA-Bindings TC.

Unfortunately, the
SCA-Bindings TC cannot do that week and want to know if we

can move a week earlier (Nov
3rd to 7th) or a week later (Nov 17th to 21st)

 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200809/msg00009.html

 

 

7. Web ballot for
sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-WD04

 

During the last meeting of
the sca-j TC on August 18, a motion was

passed to hold a Web Ballot
for CD review and comment beginning Aug 25th

ending Sept 1st. It seems
there was a misunderstanding about who would

initiate this Web ballot,
and it did not take place.

 

 

8. Accepting new issues:

 

JAVA-57: SCA Spring Client
and Implementation Specification uses an unacceptable namespace

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-57

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00081.html

 

JAVA-58: SCA Spring C&I
Specification does not have a normative definition of how to calculate the
ComponentType of a SpringApplication context

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-58

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00082.html

 

JAVA-59: SCA Spring C &
I specification does not state what happens when a Bean exposed as a service
implements multiple interfaces

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-59

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00084.html

 

JAVA-60: Sharing Java
artifacts across contributions

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-60

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00109.html

 

 

9. Open issues discussion:

 

JAVA-48 - @Callback
annotation does not feature in section on Interfaces

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-48

 

New Proposal

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00070.html

 

Updated Proposals

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00086.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00079.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00083.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00087.html

 

 

JAVA-42 - Incorrect examples
of methods annotated @Init and @Destroy

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-42

Close because of issue 37/44
changes that no longer restrict access modifiers

 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00073.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00077.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00078.html

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00085.html

 

 

JAVA-3 - Local services
expose implementation classes as their type

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-3

Should introduction of
@Local annotation (JAVA-3) affect the Semantics of an Unannotated Implementation

 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-j/200808/msg00098.html

 

 

JAVA-47: Missing description
of what the @EagerInit annotation does

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/JAVA-47

Proposal in JIRA

 

 

10. AOB

 

Straggler roll call

 

 

11. Adjourn

 

---------------------------------------------------------------

Rotating scribe list:

 

Plamen Pavlov SAP AG (0)

Peter Walker Sun
Microsystems (1)

Roberto Chinnici Sun
Microsystems (2)

Peter Peshev SAP AG
(2)

Ron Barack SAP AG
(3)

Michael Beisiegel
IBM (3)

Vamsavardhana Chillakuru IBM
(1)

David Booz IBM (4)

Anish Karmarkar Oracle
Corporation (4)

Mike Edwards IBM (3)

Sanjay Patil SAP AG (3)

Ashok Malhotra Oracle
Corporation (3)

Pradeep Simha TIBCO Software
Inc. (3)

Martin Chapman Oracle
Corporation (3)

Bryan Aupperle IBM (3)

Vladimir Savchenko SAP AG
(1)

Jim Marino Individual (4)

Meeraj Kunnumpurath
Individual (1)

 

[16:00] Simon Nash: you beat
me to it!

[16:01] anonymous morphed
into Dave Booz

[16:05] anonymous morphed
into Pradeep

[16:06] Vamsi: Scribe: Vamsi

[16:07] Vamsi: Topic: Agenda
bashing

[16:07] Vamsi: No changes.

[16:07] anonymous morphed
into anish

[16:07] Vamsi: Topic:
Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-j/download.php/29201/SCA%20Java%20Minutes%202008-08-18.doc

[16:08] Vamsi: Minutes
approved unanimously

[16:08] Vamsi: Topic:
Election of co-chair

[16:09] Vamsi: One
nomination by Simon: Dave Booz

[16:09] Vamsi: Objection
that Dave is needed for Policy work 

[16:12] Vamsi: Taking a vote
now.

[16:12] anish dave 4
president 

[16:13] Vamsi: Micheal y,
Dave Booz y, Vamsi y, Mike y, Anish y, Jim y, Pradeep y, Mark y, Simon y

[16:14] Vamsi: Dave Booz
elected as co-chair. Vote passed with 9 y, 0 n, 1 abstain.

[16:14] Vamsi: Topic: Dial
in access numbers for the Conference Calls

[16:15] Vamsi: AI: Dave Booz
to update the meeting details with conf call numbers.

[16:15] Vamsi: Topic: Leaves
of Absence:

[16:15] Vamsi: Mark
Combellack will be on LOA from September 22 to October 6 inclusive.

[16:16] Vamsi: TC wishes
Mark all the best.

[16:16] Vamsi: Topic: Review
action items

[16:16] Vamsi: 2008-07-15-2:
Vladimir to
produce a proposal for JAVA-2

[16:16] Vamsi: Vladimir on vacation.

[16:16] Vamsi: 2008-07-15-4:
Chairs to produce schedule for spec completion with help from Anish

[16:18] Vamsi: Action item -
complete

[16:18] Vamsi: 2008-07-15-9:
MikeE to produce worked example of his proposal for JAVA-1, and to show the
invocation model

[16:18] Vamsi: No update

[16:18] Vamsi: 2008-07-24-2:
Simon to revise proposal for issue 49 based on today's discussion

[16:18] Vamsi: Still pending

[16:18] Vamsi: 2008-08-11-1:
Mark to send email requesting nominations for co-chair

[16:18] Vamsi: Complete

[16:18] Vamsi: 2008-08-11-2:
Editors to check with other specifications how the use of 'a' and 'an' when
referring to annotations.

[16:19] Vamsi: Pending

[16:19] Vamsi: Topic: Update
from JEE Sub Committee Chair

[16:20] Vamsi: Simon: From
the SC meeting... SCA JEE Spec should not have the same deadline as the other
specs.  Suggested date is Oct 15th.

[16:21] Vamsi: Mike supports
Oct 15th deadline.

[16:22] Vamsi: Mike motion
to have Oct 15th deadline.

[16:22] Vamsi: Second by
Dave

[16:23] Vamsi: 2/3rd
majority of the voting members to raise issues on SCA JEE Spec.

[16:24] Ashok: +1

[16:24] Vamsi: Anish: Not
have any deadline as we just started.

[16:25] Vamsi: Mike: What is
the implication of having no deadline?

[16:26] Vamsi: Ashok
suggests to wait a while.

[16:27] Vamsi: Mark: Leave
the deadline as Oct 15th for now and move later if required.

[16:27] Vamsi: Simon: May
need 2/3rd majority for moving the deadline.

[16:27] Mark Combellack:
Could we reword motion to say "that the SCA JEE is exempt from the September
15th deadline until oct 15th"

[16:29] Vamsi: Anish:
Amendment to remove Oct 15th

[16:29] Vamsi: from the
motion

[16:30] Vamsi: seconded by
Ashok.

[16:30] Vamsi: Amended
Motion - the SCA JEE is exempt from the September 15th deadline

[16:30] Vamsi: Motion is
approved.

[16:33] Vamsi: Plamen
volunteers to be chair for SCA JEE SC.

[16:33] Vamsi: Mike: Plamen
will make a good chair for the SC.

[16:33] Ashok: +1

[16:34] Vamsi: Mike: Motion
to make Plamen as SCA JEE SC.

[16:34] Vamsi: Seconded by
Dave.

[16:35] Vamsi: Plamen is the
SCA JEE SC Chair. Congratulations!!

[16:35] Vamsi: Topic: Date
of the next SCA-J Face to Face (F2F) meeting

[16:38] Vamsi: No change in
the dates - meeting will be in the week of November 10th to 14th

[16:38] Vamsi: Meeting dates
11th, 12th and 13th.

[16:40] Vamsi: SCA JEE SC
can meet on the 10th?

[16:41] Vamsi: Anish: I
would rather not meet on Monday the 10th.

[16:41] Vamsi: Simon: JEE
folks can meet on Tuesday the 11th first thing.

[16:43] Vamsi: Simon: May
extend the meeting to Friday if required.

[16:43] Vamsi: Ashok: Do we
need four days?

[16:43] Vamsi: Mike: 3 days
more than enough.

[16:45] Vamsi: Mark Motion
for SCA J Meeting on 11th, 12th and 13th Nov.

[16:45] Vamsi: Mike seconds

[16:46] Vamsi: Topic: Web
ballot for sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-WD04

[16:47] Vamsi: Simon:
Suggest a non-web ballot next Monday.

[16:48] Vamsi: Mark: Web
ballot will give an opportunity to cast a vote without having to be in the
call.

[16:49] Vamsi: Mark - Motion
to have a non-web ballot on 15th Sep.

[16:49] Vamsi: Mike seconds

[16:50] Vamsi: Motion
approved unanimously

[16:50] Vamsi: Simon
requests the members to review and provide comments.

[16:51] Vamsi: on
sca-javacaa-1.1-spec-WD04

[16:51] Vamsi: Topic:
Accepting new issues

[16:51] Vamsi: JAVA-57: SCA
Spring Client and Implementation Specification uses an unacceptable namespace

[16:52] Vamsi: Mike - Motion
to open the issue. Dave seconds.

[16:53] Vamsi: Motion is
approved.

[16:55] Vamsi: Mike - Motion
to accept the proposal written in JIRA for ISSUE 57 to resolve the issue.  Dave
seconds.

[16:55] Vamsi: Motion
approved.

[16:56] Vamsi: JAVA-58: SCA
Spring C&I Specification does not have a normative definition of how to
calculate the ComponentType of a SpringApplication context

[16:57] Vamsi: Mike - Motion
to open ISSUE 58. Dave Seconds.

[16:57] Vamsi: Motion
approved.

[16:57] Vamsi: JAVA-59: SCA
Spring C & I specification does not state what happens when a Bean exposed
as a service implements multiple interfaces

[16:58] Vamsi: Mike - Motion
to open ISSUE 59. Dave seconds.

[16:58] Vamsi: Motion
approved.

[16:58] Vamsi: JAVA-60:
Sharing Java artifacts across contributions

[16:59] Vamsi: Dave - Motion
to open ISSUE 60. Mark seconds.

[16:59] Vamsi: Motion
approved.

[17:00] Vamsi: Meeting
adjourned.