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Draft Minutes of 2008-08-05 with roll is attached
Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-08-05
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SCA-Assembly
Teleconference
05 AUG 2008
Attendees
Present
fred carter, (AmberPoint)
Mark Combellack, (Avaya, Inc.)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Bryan Aupperle, (IBM)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
Graham Charters, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Simon Nash, (IBM)
Jim Marino, (Individual)
Peter Furniss, (Iris Financial Solutions Ltd.)
Jeff Estefan, (Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Jeff Mischkinsky, (Oracle Corporation)
Vladislav Bezrukov, (SAP AG*)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Plamen Pavlov, (SAP AG*)
Peter Walker, (Sun Microsystems)
Sabin Ielceanu, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Eric Wells
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 22nd July
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/28955/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-07-22.html
3. Action Items:
2008-04-28-1: Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3: Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines of the F2F discussion
so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4: Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6: Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-08-1: Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of pseudo-schema
2008-07-22-1: Aupperle to raise new issue(s) wrt ASSEMBLY-28
DONE
2008-07-22-2: Edwards to raise an issue regarding definition of lifecycle model (re Issue 8 resolution)
DONE
2008-07-22-3: Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-4: Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-5: Edwards to start discussion on E-mail regarding Section 6.6 (re Issue 8 resolution)
DONE
4. New Issues
ASSEMBLY-74 Corrections to the contributions schema
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-74
There is a proposal which will resolve this issue attached to the JIRA
- this proposal will be considered immediately if the TC agrees to open this issue.
ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75
There is a proposal which will resolve this issue attached to the JIRA
- this proposal will be considered immediately if the TC agrees to open this issue.
ASSEMBLY-76 SCA Assembly Specification should provide a lifecycle model for Components and related artifacts in the Domain
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-76
ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77
5. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
Latest discussion and proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00027.html
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
Proposed update to the Issue:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00029.html
Requires a writeup based on discussions at the F2F
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
Proposal requires write-up of 2 separate action items from the F2F
1) http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00020.html
ASSEMBLY-33 Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
6. AOB
Next meeting is on August 12th
Contents
Topics
[1]
Opening
[2]
Action Items
[3]
New Issues
[4]
ASSEMBLY-74 Corrections to the contributions schema http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-74
[5]
ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75
[6]
ASSEMBLY-76 SCA Assembly Specification should provide a lifecycle model for Components and related artifacts in the Domain
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-76
[7]
ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77
[8]
Open Issues
[9]
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
[10]
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments
[11]
ASSEMBLY-37 Clarify SCA Domain virtual composites
[12]
Component URI is not well described http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
[13]
AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items
Action Items
Old:
2008-04-28-1: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-06-03-3: id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
2008-06-03-4: id=2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
2008-06-03-6: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
2008-07-22-1: id=2008-07-22-1 status=done Aupperle to raise new issue(s) wrt ASSEMBLY-28
2008-07-22-2: id=2008-07-22-2 status=done Edwards to raise an issue regarding definition of lifecycle model (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-3: id=2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-4: id=2008-07-22-4 status=pending Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
2008-07-22-5: id=2008-07-22-5 status=done Edwards to start discussion on E-mail regarding Section 6.6 (re Issue 8 resolution)
New:
2008-08-05-1: id-2008-07-08-1 status=pending Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of
pseudo-schema
2008-08-05-2: owner=MikeE due=2008-08-12 Mike E to open discussion of ASSEMBLY-41 on E-mail list
Resolutions
2008-08-05-1: Minutes of 22-Jul-08 approved without objection
2008-08-05-2: Issue ASSEMBLY-74 Opened w/o
2008-08-05-3: ASSEMBLY-74 resolved with BryanA's proposal in E-mail at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00009.html
accepted w/o
2008-08-05-4: ASSEMBLY-75 "Wire" in Appendix Opened w/o
2008-08-05-5: ASSEMBLY-76 SCA Assembly Specification Opened w/o
2008-08-05-6: ASSEMBLY-77 Mapping WSDL 1.1 to 2.0 Opened w/o
2008-08-05-7: ASSEMBLY-41 Extended to include property updates - accepted w/o
Minutes
Scribe: Eric Wells
Opening
15/25 = 60% Quorate
Agenda - agreed
Resolution: Minutes of 22-Jul-08 approved without objection
Action Items
Action: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
Action: id=2008-06-03-3 status=pending Simon Nash and Anish Karmarkar to develop a more concrete proposal for Issue 37 along the lines
of the F2F discussion so that profitable discussion may continue this meeting.
Action: id=2008-06-03-4 status=pending Chapman to propose some non-normative clarification test to resolve Issue-26 due=2008-12-24
Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
Action: id-2008-07-08-1 status=pending Simon Nash - Review spec for areas that might benefit from illustration by the addition of
pseudo-schema
Action: id=2008-07-22-1 status=done Aupperle to raise new issue(s) wrt ASSEMBLY-28
Action: id=2008-07-22-2 status=done Edwards to raise an issue regarding definition of lifecycle model (re Issue 8 resolution)
Action: id=2008-07-22-3 status=pending Karmarkar to send an E-mail with details of use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
Action: id=2008-07-22-4 status=pending Booz to rewrite 11.2.1 to consider Simon N's use case (re Issue 8 resolution)
Action: id=2008-07-22-5 status=done Edwards to start discussion on E-mail regarding Section 6.6 (re Issue 8 resolution)
New Issues
ASSEMBLY-74 Corrections to the contributions schema http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-74
Aupperle described his new issue
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00009.html
Motion: m=BryanA s=MichaelB Open issue ASSEMBLY-74
Resolution: Issue ASSEMBLY-74 Opened w/o
Issue ASSEMBLY-74 already has detailed proposal - Aupperle describes
Motion: m=Aupperle s=Mischkinsky Resolve ASSEMBLY-74 with Aupperle's proposal
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-74 resolved with BryanA's proposal in E-mail at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200808/msg00009.html
accepted w/o
ASSEMBLY-75 Section on "Wire" in Appendix is Incorrect http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-75
Edwards describes the issue
Simon Nash:
Question regarding definition and wording
Edwards:
Direct quote from spec is wrong - wires can't connect to composites
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-75 "Wire" in Appendix Opened w/o
Issue ASSEMBLY-75 already has detailed proposal
Nash:
Questions that wires cannot connect to ANY composite
... there is another part (Section 6.2) that implies wires can go to composite references
Edwards:
Doesn't agree - this section is describing composites
Brief discussion between Simon & Mike who agreed to discuss off-line
ASSEMBLY-76 SCA Assembly Specification should provide a lifecycle model for Components and related artifacts in the Domain
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-76
Motion: m=MikeE s=MarkC ASSEMBLY-76 To be opened
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-76 SCA Assembly Specification Opened w/o
ASSEMBLY-77 How to map WSDL 1.1. portType to WSDL 2.0 interface and vice versa? http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-77
Karmarkar is not on the call - Chapman describes issue
Motion: m=MartinC s=BryanA Open issue ASSEMBLY-77
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-77 Mapping WSDL 1.1 to 2.0 Opened w/o
Open Issues
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
<Mike Edwards>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/28955/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-07-22.html
Continuation of discussion from 22-Jul-08
Dave Booz is not on call today
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00060.html
Anish Karmarkar not on call today
DaveB was to rewrite 11.2.1 and AnishK was to provide use case
<Mike Edwards>
"The SCA runtime MUST reject a deployed composite and raise an error where that composite, or a composite that it depends
on, has an <include/> statement
where the referenced included composite is not found in the same SCA contribution as the including composite."
Nash:
Unsure if discussion encompasses "depends on" as well as "includes" components
... "depends on" is broader than "includes"
Edwards:
Wording intended to expressly exclude "depends on"
No further discussion - wait until Dave B returns
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level deployments
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
Proposed update to the Issue:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00029.html
Requires a writeup based on discussions at the F2F
Nash:
Think there was agreement on way forward - check F2F Minutes for AI?
<Mike Edwards>
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/28591/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-06-03.html
Edwards:
Issue currently doesn't cover property updates - which it needs to
... procedural issue to expand issue 41
<Mike Edwards>
Mike E moves to extend the scope of Issue 41 to include the update of domain level Property values and the effect that this
has on any Components that use those values as part of their configuration.
...(pause to consider proposal)
Motion: m=MikeE s=BryanA Extend ASSEMBLY-41 to include MikeE's wording above
Brief discussion to clarify
Resolution: ASSEMBLY-41 Extended to include property updates - accepted w/o
Action: owner=MikeE due=2008-08-12 Mike E to open discussion of ASSEMBLY-41 on E-mail list
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00039.html
ASSEMBLY-37 Clarify SCA Domain virtual composites
<Mike Edwards>
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00020.html
Waiting for a write-up based on discussions at the F2F meeting
No futher discussion
<Mike Edwards>
Email discussions for issue 37 are posted above - 1 email from Simon nash, 1 from Mike Edwards
Component URI is not well described http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
Nash:
Reviews his previous E-mail on this issue at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200807/msg00020.html
... need to read this in conjunction with DaveB's proposal regarding infosets
<Mike Edwards>
(Dave B's proposal was first presented at the June F2F)
... SCA-Assembly should ONLY say that it's (optionally) available for SCA-Bindings and NOTHING further
... it would be up to SCA-Bindings to say how it is used IF it is available
Clarification of Simon N's propsal
There are TWO distinct URI's which are not necessarily related
SCA-Assembly treats as URN SAC-Bindings MAY chose to use this as a URI
Edwards:
describes "URI Alias" as in his E-mail (linked above)
... alias stays the same when underlying URI changes
Discussion on how to handle errors if alias targets are not updated
Discussion on what would be allowed (multiple targets etc)
AOB
Straggler role
Adjourned 9:03AM PST
[End of Minutes]
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